Hi Lee,

Just one point while I have some time and mental clarity. Can a Realist accept that "a wholly independent world "out there" exists and existed before he did" and yet can admit that the particular properties of this "independent world" are not *definite* prior to the specification of a particular observational context? I am claiming that we should not conflate *existence* with *property definiteness*.

Onward!

Stephen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Corbin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EverythingList" <everything-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: subjective reality


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The realist does *not* want the world to be "as it seems to be".  No,
the realist focuses on the fact that a wholly independent world "out
there" exists and existed before he did.  In fact, it is the subjectivists
who start calling their own unassailable introspections "reality".

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