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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:54
Subject: Re: How did it all begin?
On 01 Sep 2005, at 00:40, Stephen Paul King
Does it truly make sense to assume that Existence can have a
Beginning? We are not talking here, I AFAIK, about the beginning of our
observed universe as we can wind our way back in history to a Big Bang Event
Horizon, but this event itself must have some form of antecedent that Exists.
Remember, existence, per say, does not depend on anything, except for maybe
self-consistency, and thus it follows that Existence itself can not have a
"beginning". It follows that it is Eternal, without beginning or
I would even say that it is out of time and space
I agree completely.
Space and time are, at least, notions that involve relationships. Existence, in
itself, can have none of these relationships. Otherwise it would be
dependent on something "else"...
IMHO, Tegmark's paper, like the rest of his papers, is not worth
reading if only because they misdirect thoughts more than they inform
You are hard. Tegmark paper is interesting, except
that he still (like many physicists) put the mind-body problem under the rug,
and so he misses the impact of incompleteness, and the fact that at the level
of mathematical platonism, the physical world is not just a mathematical
structure among others. With comp, although physics is secondary, the physical
world is not just a mathematical structure among others, but a very special
mathematical structures emerging from existing relations among a vast set of
I would expect the same
criticism if I engaged in behavior like that of Tegmark! Those omissions
that you point out are some, but not all, of my compliant. But it is the way
that a broad brush is used to dismiss possibilities, thus a prejudicial attitude
is engendered in those that control the purse-strings of money going to
research. I recall an exchange that I had with some one that is high up in the
NSF, that used Tegmark's doctrine to dismiss out of hard any serious inquiry
into quantum mechanical effects in human brains...
We may disagree on the
verisimilitude of Idealism, but I find your work to be, at least, very
interesting and thought provoking.
BTW, could you see if you
can set the settings of your Email program so that the font is not so
small? It is hard to read your HTML postings.