This self-reference and self-containment is not a problem if one merely
assumes the anti-foundation axiom (set theory) instead of the usual axiom.
It is obvious, at least to me, that the totality of Existence must be all
inclusive, thus is Complete and co-Complete (includes all representations of
It seems that we are stripping over the fact that we are playing around
with finite representations of the Totality and might be neglective the
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Ruhl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Let There Be Something
In my view the entire system we discuss is self referential. For example
a line item on my list is the "features" of the list and thus the list
itself. The list is a member of itself. There is no "outside" and thus I
see no opportunity for, or a need for, a meaning or point.
Of course in order to allow it as an explanation one needs to postulate it
and thus belief is required since proof it unobtainable [it being a
postulate]. On the other hand is this postulate unreasonable? I do not
at this time see why it would be.