Hi Bruno, Well, even if you can derive the laws of physics as we know them (in some approximation), you still can't do an experiment to prove that quantum suicide works. It can only be proven to the experimentor himself. This means that the absolute measure cannot be ruled out experimentally.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruno Marchal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Saibal Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <everything-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 01:25 PM Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality and Information Flow > > Le 15-déc.-05, à 03:04, Saibal Mitra a écrit : > > > > > > To me it seems that the notion of ''successor'' has to break down at > > cases > > where the observer can die. The Tookies that are the most similar to > > the > > Tookie who got executed are the ones who got clemency. There is no > > objective > > reason why these Tookies should be excluded as ''successors''. They > > miss the > > part of their memories about things that happened after clemency was > > denied. > > Instead of those memories they have other memories. We forget things > > all the > > time. Sometimes we remember things that didn't really happen. So, we > > allow > > for information loss anyway. My point is then that we should forget > > about > > all of the information contained in the OM and just sample from the > > entire > > set of OMs. > > > > The notion of a ''successor'' is not a fundamental notion at all. You > > can > > define it any way you like. > > > ? > > > > > It will not lead to any conflict with any > > experiments you can think of. > > > > > > > ? > > Counterexamples will appear if I succeed to explain more of the > conversation with the lobian machines. > > But just with the Kripke semantics we have a base to doubt what you are > saying here. Indeed, it is the relation of accessibility between OMs > which determine completely the invariant laws pertaining in all OMs. > For example, if the multiverse is reflexive the Bp -> p is true in all > OMs (that is, Bp -> p is invariant for any walk in the multiverse). If > the mutliverse is "terminal" of "papaioannou-like) then Dt -> ~BDt is > a law. In Kripke structure the accessibility relation determined the > invariant laws. > later, the modal logic is given by the machine interview, and from > that, we will determine the structure of the multiverse, including the > "observable" one. > > Bruno > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > >
