Le 09-janv.-06, à 08:29, Jesse Mazer a écrit :
Atheists do not always define the term "atheism" as believing there is
no God, they often define it simply as lacking any belief in God--see
the quotes from various atheist writers at
Thanks. But it is normal. It is strategy of atheist to put the agnostic
in their rank. In his "treatise of atheology" a Belgium atheist
described agnostic as just a polite form of atheism.
I just discover that Raymond Smullyan in a little book on religion "Who
knows?" says also that atheism and religious believer are much more
alike compare with the agnostics.
With Ben I propose that we stick with (g = "God exists")
religious believer = Bg
atheism = B~g
agnosticism = ~Bg & ~B~g
Of course atheism will be relative to a notion of God.
Many people believe they are atheist, and then agree that they are just
agnostic once the definition above is recalled or given. But I know
personaly "real atheist" and even atheist "sects", and in general they
hate much more the agnostics than the religious believer. atheist and
religious believer have in common that they dislike doubts on that
subjects. For them it cannot be a priori a matter of science (that is a
matter of doubt).