The easy answer for you, John, is that given an infinite afterlife, an intelligent being would probably experience everything that it is possible to experience.  Heck, eventually I'd probably even get around to checking out what life as John M was all about.

Danny Mayes

John M wrote:

just imagine a fraction of the infinite afterlife:
to sing the pius chants for just 30,000 years by
'people' in heaven with Alzheimers, arthritis, in pain
and senility? 
Or would you choose an earlier phase of terrestrial
life for the introduction in heaven: let us say: the
fetal age? or school-years with the mentality of a
teenager? Would you love spouse No 1,2,or 3? Would you
forget about the biggest blunder you did and regretted
all your life? 
Or would you prefer the eternal brimstone-burning
(what a waste in energy) without a painkiller?

I did not ask about your math, how many are involved
over the millennia? I asked a Muslim lately, what the
huris are and what the female inhabitants of heaven

An agnostic has to define what he does 'not' know,
hasn't he? 
Just as an atheist requires a god 'not' to believe in.
We are SOOO smart!

Have a good day

John M

--- Norman Samish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm agnostic, yet it strikes me that even if there
is no God, those that decide to have faith, and have
the ability to have faith, in a benign God have
gained quite a bit.  They have faith in an
afterlife, in ultimate justice, in the triumph of
good over evil, etc.  Without this faith, life for
many would be intolerable.  

If there is no God, there is no afterlife and they
get a zero.  If there is a God, there is an after
life and they get infinity.  So how can they lose? 
Maybe Pascal's Wager deserves more consideration.

Norman Samish
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brent Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: belief, faith, truth

Even within the context that Pascal intended it is
fallacious.  If you worship the God of Abraham and
there is no god, you have given up freedom of
thought, you have given up responsibility for your
own morals and ethics, you have denied yourself some
pleasures of the mind as well as pleasures of the

It's a bad bargain.

Brent Meeker

“The Christian religion is fundamentally opposed to
everything I hold in veneration- courage, clear
thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of
the truth.” --- H. L. Mencken

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
That's right: if you believe in the Christian God
and are wrong, the real God (who may be worshipped
by an obscure group numbering a few dozen people, or
by aliens, or by nobody at all) may be angry and may
punish you. An analogous situation arises when
creationists demand that the Biblical version of
events be taught alongside evolutionary theory in
schools: if we are to be fair, the creation myths of
every religious sect should be taught.  - Stathis
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 12:36:46AM +1100, Stathis
Papaioannou wrote:
[Incidently, can you see the logical flaw in
Pascal's Wager as 

I always wondered why it should be the Christian
account of God and Heaven that was relevant.


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