Norman Samish wrote: > > I don't see how a list of numbers could, by itself, contain any meaningful > information. Sure, a list of numbers could be an executable program, but > there has to be an executive program to execute the executable program. > > The multiverse has to therefore consist of more than a matrix of numbers > which amount to an executable program.

I feel that the computational approach is a wrong direction for the question of existence. A matrix of numbers is not the only type of mathematical object the multiverse can be. > Where could the executive program have come from? Perhaps one could call > it "God." I can think of no possibility other than "It was always there," > and eternal existence is a concept I can't imagine. Are there any other > possibilities? I think there is another possibility. I tried to explain it in my exchanges with John. It relies on several speculations or conjectures: - Mathematical objects exist by themeslves ("They were (or: are, intemporal) always there"), - The multiverse is isomorphic to a mathematical object, - Perception of existence is an internal property of the multiverse (mind emerges from matter activity), - Mathematical existence and physical existence are the same ("there is no need that something special be inside particles", the contrary is an unnecessary and useless dualism, "the fire *is* in the equations"). Some details and some (weak) arguments can be found in my recent posts to this group. Some papers from Max Tegmark are also relevant: http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/toe_frames.html http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/toe.pdf http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf Georges. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---