[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Georges Quenot wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> Georges wrote: >>>>> - The multiverse is isomorphic to a mathematical object, >>>> This has to be saying simply that the multiverse IS a mathematical >>>> object. >>>> Otherwise it is nonsense. >>> No, because all mathematical objects, as mathematical objects >>> exist (or don't exit) on an equal basis. Yet the universe is only >>> isomorphic to one of them. It has real existence, as opposed >>> to the other mathematical objects which are only abstract. >> That is the question. >> >> That "[The universe] has real existence, as opposed to the >> other mathematical objects which are only abstract." is what >> I called a dualist view. > > Dualism says there are two really existing realms or substances. > Saying the physical realm is concrete and real and the mathematical > realm is abstract and unreal is not dualism.
This *splits* "things" into "realness" and "abstractedness". It postulates "material substance" just as classical dualism postulates a "spiritual substance" (and just as once vitalism postulated a "living substance"). Last but not least: you are unable to explain what you mean bt "real" except by a tautology or via a reference to common sense that no longer appears to be consensual. >> Both view seem to have their champions here. I guesse that >> when saying "This has to be saying simply that the multiverse >> IS a mathematical object." Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) defends >> the monist view as obvious and the only one making sense while >> when saying "[The universe] has real existence, as opposed >> to the other mathematical objects which are only abstract." > > Well, I've never seen a mathematical object. Have you > ever seen the number 3? Have you ever seen a single photon? Or even an electron? Do you descend from the ape by your father or by your mother? :-) You may find the monist idea crazy or a nonsense but it does not (completely) appear as such to everybody. Georges. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
