Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > > Ground them operationally, then. Real things have real properties and > > unreal > > things don't. Real properties can be observed empirically. Primeness > > then is not > > a real property. > > > > I have to ask you one more time, but I'll reverse the question, what does it > means for an object not to be real (hence being abstract) ?
it means it is not an object at all. > it is not a joke, > I want to know. All your explanations till now are tautologies what is tautologous about: "Real properties can be observed empirically" i.e. unreal ones cannot. > and in > themself have no explanatory power at all. > > Quentin Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > > Ground them operationally, then. Real things have real properties and > > unreal > > things don't. Real properties can b"e observed empirically. Primeness > > then is not > > a real property. > > I'll take another stupid example to try to explain my question... > > Considering materialist view, what does it means to "have existed" ? > > So I'm living right now, I'd say I exists, one day I'll die and in a > materialist view I'll not exists anymore, will not ever have conscious state. > What remains of my existance is in the memory of people who knew me, when > they'll die, It'll be in the memory of people who have been taugh that I > existed... then they'll die too, and one day humanity will disappear, earth > will disappear, any trace that humanity has ever existed will disappear, when > this time come what will render me more real as Tintin (the Hergé comics > hero)... I have existed but nothing could tell it (even me as at that time > I'll not be anymore), so what does it means to have existed at all ? The question is what it means to exist now. You, now, are real. What connects with you causally is also real. > Quentin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---