George,
You got it very decently, thank you. One question: what do you mean by a 'simulated character'? Then again IMO no person can differentiate whether he sees the 'reality' or has an illusion. (I mean: the perception of reality, of course). Illusion is usually a wake-phenomenon, dream: sleeping although day-dream is neither a dream nor an illusion. Do we want to go into this? (Psych of Everything<G>?) John --- George Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > >Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > a écrit : > > > > > >>Ground them operationally, then. Real things have > real properties and > >>unreal > >>things don't. Real properties can be observed > empirically. Primeness > >>then is not > >>a real property. > >> > >> > >> > > > >I have to ask you one more time, but I'll reverse > the question, what does it > >means for an object not to be real (hence being > abstract) ? it is not a joke, > >I want to know. > > > I will insert my grain of salt in a very active > thread.... > > In my opinion, reality is relative, more precisely, > the perception of > reality depends on the level of implementation or > the level of illusion. > > Here I use the term implementation to refer to third > person perception > and illusion to refer to first person perception. > > For example, a simulated character perceives > simulated objects as real. > He has the illusion that they are real. > > Similarly we perceive our world to be real. It kicks > back. We have the > illusion that our world is real. Is it? It all > depends how you look at > it. One could say that our consciousness is emergent > by the > bootstrapping of reflexive illusions: our world is > an illusion that > allows us to have the illusion that we exist. > > (I am not sure but it may be that my term > "illusion" has the same > meaning as the term "dream" that Bruno very often > uses as in "we are > dreaming machines." ) > > Thus, in my opinion, there is no absolute reality. > All we have is the > implementation/illusion of reality at our level of > implementation/illusion. > > > George Levy > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
