Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 20-mars-06, à 00:04, John M a écrit :
> > A Turing machine does nothing (by itself). Don't take
> > the power for granted. Something has to OPERATE it to
> > do anything.
> Why?  How could a digital machine distinguish reality, virtual reality,
> arithmetical reality, etc.

The question is about what computers are , form a 3rd-person
not about what a machine would see from its own 1st person perspective.
We know we have a 1st person perspecitve, and we have 3rd person
of computers. That is the perspective of John's question. You question
from a machine's 1st person perspective. We don't even know that
digitial computers have a 1st-person perspective. Your question might
not even
be valid.

> > Bruno:
> > let me draw your attention to one little phrasing in
> > Hal's (and everybody else's, I presume, as I read
> > these posts)- text:
> > "If we assume..."
> > And if we do not?
> You will miss the consequences of the assumption. All science is based
> on implicit or explicit assumption, related to (non definable)
> world-views.

Almost all science is based on the implicit assumption of a "stuffy"
world view.
Therefore, the burden of proof is on those who seek to deny it.

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