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De: John M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
Date: 21 mars 2006 23:41:38 GMT+01:00
À: Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Objet: Réexp : Posting error: Everything List
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I sent the text below to the list and got it back as
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May I ask you to post my text now, exceptionally,
until I will straighten out the situation?
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From: John M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Numbers - Evolution
--- Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Le 20-mars-06, à 17:31, Georges Quénot wrotet :or
partial)I think that modern physics and the synthetic
theory of evolution provide a resonable (though
humanaccount for the "technical" capabilities of the
I want add something. Evolution provides an
explanation of the
technical ability of the human mind. But those
technical ability are
generally limited to third person describable
phenomena. It does not
explain the first person feature (including
consciousness). The UDA at
least shows that evolution, if you base it on
physics, will lose the
first person feature. That is why so much
physicalists are tempted to
just "eliminate consciousness", either literally
under the labelanything
"epiphenomena", or just "uninteresting"!.
But I believe more in consciousness than in
else, and any oneof
understanding the sentence "headache are annoying"
do, so elimination
of consciousness is really like omitting data.
But then, unless the UDA reasoning is wrong,
comp-or-weaker hypothesis leads to an elimination
stuffy or primaryexplain
matter. It is easier, after all to explain the
dreamy *appearance* of
matter from a consciousness theory, than to
of the lived consciousness from a theory of
2 points to that from my earlier positions:
I concluded after much speculation that in "my
narrative" I will call evolution the history of this
universe from its origination to its re-dissipation
into the infinite dynamic invariance (what I call
'plenitude'). As for its mechanism I find it
reasonable to ASSUME (yes, Bruno, I use this word)
that in the wholistic total interconnectedness of
everything (pertinent to THIS universe, of course)
(and all) changes occur by effects we register or
In our narrow terrestrial view SOME are applicable
further changes, some not. These are the dead ends
'evolutionary science' does not even talk about - or
call them 'extinct'.
So 'evolution' does not 'provide explanations'. It
happens and we partially observe the happenings. We
have no idea at which stage 'evolution' stands now:
close to the beginning or the end.
CONSCIOUSNESS: which 'kind' are you talking about?
noumenon is unrestrictedly applied to the needs and
taste of all researchers involved with such domains.
My variation was deemed a 'functional' type, vs the
awareness. neurological etc. types. I extended 'MY'
Ccness ID into the entire (universe-al) inventory by
saying: it is
"Acknowledgement of - and response to -
Information in this sense is any absorbed/obsderved
difference by anything/anybody. Memory is response
(mental or what some call: material built-in
Just my thoughts, from more than a decade ago. Info
may include an ion-reaction or the Magna Charta. It
like Hal's 'first description' from the same time vs
his recent position: I am changing my views as well.
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