John M wrote: > > --- Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (unless the final remark with Saibal/s signature > underneath comes from him): > ... > Stathis wrote: > ... > >>I would say that the 1st person experience is *not* >>an illusion in any sense of the word. It is the very >>opposite, in a >way: the most real thing, which >>cannot be doubted... > > * > "I agree. Other people are part of the model of the > world we form. And in the same way the existence of > myself, as a durable entity, is also a part of that > model. > Brent Meeker" > * > Does this agreed double(?) statement not rub too close > on solipsism?
Not if you accept that *all* our ideas of reality are models. The fact that they work well and are coherent makes me believe they are models of an external reality - not a personal illusion - but I can still doubt that they *are reality* itself. In other words I take them to be like scientific theories: provisionally accepted, but subject to refutation. > > Then again: > >>The person I was when I was 3 years old is dead. He >>died because >>too much new information was added to his brain. >> -- Saibal Mitra > > * > An interesting observation from Saibal that increasing > the info-input to one's brain kills person(ality?). > I would not say "dead", rather 'changed' as into some > different one. (It is a gradual change, death is being > thought of as something more abrupt and > comprehensive.) > In spite of that, knowing that when as a 5-yo I had > different person-ality and ideas, brainfunction and > emotions, I still feel NOW identity with THAT PERSON. I have memories from when I was 5yrs old, but the source of identity I feel in those memories arises only from the fact that I remember a personal viewpoint in spactime and I remember emotions. Those are the same aspects of memories of last week that make them coherent with my model of myself as a being who persists over time. Brent Meeker --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---