Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 24-juil.-06, à 02:26, 1Z a écrit :

> > OTOH, materialism explains how qualia can be unrelated to computation.

> Could you say how (without invoking words like "real")?

If nothing exists except mathematical structures, qualia can only
be identical to mathematical structures.

If qualia exist as non-mathematical properties, then something
exists other than mathematical structures.

If something exists other than mathematical structures, then
qualia can supervene in on it, rather than on mathematical structures
per se.

if matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia
can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures.

If computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on computational
processes.

Computational processes are mathematical structures , so if
computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on mathematical
structures.

Qualia must be related to mathematical structures to be related to
computational
processes.

If there is a way in which qualia can  be unrelated to  mathematical
structures
it is also a way in which they can be unrelated to computational
processes.

If matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia
can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures.

Therefore , if matter exists,  there is a way in which qualia can  be
unrelated to  mathematical structures.

Therefore, if matter exists, there is a way in which qualia can  be
unrelated to  computational  processes.


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