Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 24-juil.-06, à 02:26, 1Z a écrit :

> > OTOH, materialism explains how qualia can be unrelated to computation. > Could you say how (without invoking words like "real")? If nothing exists except mathematical structures, qualia can only be identical to mathematical structures. If qualia exist as non-mathematical properties, then something exists other than mathematical structures. If something exists other than mathematical structures, then qualia can supervene in on it, rather than on mathematical structures per se. if matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures. If computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on computational processes. Computational processes are mathematical structures , so if computationalism is true, qualia must supervene on mathematical structures. Qualia must be related to mathematical structures to be related to computational processes. If there is a way in which qualia can be unrelated to mathematical structures it is also a way in which they can be unrelated to computational processes. If matter exists as a non-mathematical structure. then qualia can supervene on it, and not on only mathematical structures. Therefore , if matter exists, there is a way in which qualia can be unrelated to mathematical structures. Therefore, if matter exists, there is a way in which qualia can be unrelated to computational processes. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---