Le 10-juil.-06, à 04:58, George Levy a écrit :

> Stephen Paul King wrote:
>> little discussion has
>> been given to the implications of taking the 1st person aspect as 
>> primary or
>> fundamental. Could you point me toward any that you have seen?
> Hi Stephen
> Alas, I am a mere engineer, not a philosopher. The only author I can
> point you to is John Locke who I was told had some view similar to the
> ones I expressed. I have formed my opinions  mostly independently in 
> the
> process of writing a book (unpublished :'( )  I think that science is
> moving gradually toward first person - starting with Galileo's
> relativity, then Einstein's relativity and finally with QM (MWI). As
> science had progressed, the observer has acquired a greater and greater
> importance. Extrapolating to the limit, "I" becomes central and its
> existence anthropically defines (creates) the world where it resides.

I think Stephen Paul king, David Lyman and you are on the same 
"heraclitean" track.
It is possible to divide the greek 'theologian" into the Parmenidians 
and the Heracliteans. Actually the same division appears in the world 
of the physicists and mathematicians. The trifle between Brouwer and 
Cantor is reminiscent of that division. It is the "battle" between the 
first person and the third person for the supremacy with respect to the 
fundamental questions. The first person want time/consciousness to be 
primary, and is basically Heraclitean. The third person want the 
primitive elements to be sharable so that their fundamental theories 
can be "scientific" (meaning sharable).
It is a complex matter, and it is, to be sure, still an open question, 
depending on the behavior of some arithmetical interpretation of the 
notion of persons (Plotinus' hypostases). See the recent conversation 
on the FOR list which bears on that question.



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