On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 1:40:02 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

@Brent. The only thing that you ever observe is your own consciousness. 
Which undoubtedly does a great job at tricking you into believing that you 
observe an "external world".


The only trick here is your usual one; thinking you've written something 
useful. AG 


On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 23:28:40 UTC+2 Brent Meeker wrote:



On 3/19/2025 4:56 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 5:40:48 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 4:30 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

*> If the universe is infinite in spatial extent, and we run the clock 
backward, is all  the mass/energy of the observable region confined to a 
tiny or zero volume?*


*The short answer is nobody knows what will happen if you run the clock 
back to zero, and the mystery remains regardless of if the universe is 
finite or infinite. Nobody knows what will happen when things get super 
small because our two best physical theories, Quantum Mechanics and General 
Relativity, disagree with each other. Most believe that something will 
prevent a zero volume from ever occurring, but nobody knows what that 
"something" is.  *

  *John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*


Maybe it's a 5th force. What I'd like to know is this; assuming an infinite 
spatial universe and that it gets very very small as we run the clock 
backward, the observable regions shrinks, but what happens to the 
unobservable region? Quentin claimed to have an answer, but I can't recall 
what it was. AG 


All theories treat the unobservable regions as being similar to the 
observable (what else could you justify?).  So every finite region, 
observable or not shrinks to zero.  

Brent

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