Why is everyone talking about abstract computation? Of _course_ 1st person is prime = Has primacy in description of the universe. Being a portion of any structure (ME) trying to model the structure (the UNIVERSE) from within it (ME as scientist inside/part of the universe) is intrinsically and innately presented with that which is _not_ the structure of ME (NOT ME). This applies at all scales (eg ME = an atom, ME = a galaxy).
An _abstract_ computation/model X implemented symbolically on a of a portion of the structure (a COMPUTER) inside the structure (the UNIVERSE) will see the universe as "NOT COMPUTER", not some function of the machinations of X, the model. Eg The first person perspective of a register in a computer holding a quantity N must be that of being a register in a computer, not that of 'being' a quantity N. The only computation going on around us is literally the universe. WE are computations within it. We can only ever acquire data about it from the perspective of being in it. Maybe you're not talking about the same universe as me. We're trying to get to grips with our universe, yes? I don't get it. Then again I seem not to get a lot. :-) Colin hales --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---