Nick: the "practical" - "philosopher". I refer to my 'misunderstood' expression to Bruno: "NAME Calling" (which was a pun, meaning we "call" names and assign meaning to it - in our OWN mindset, then fight for THIS meaning against another person's meaning "called" by the same NAME) - Bruno misunderstood it into its original "un-pun" (vulgar?) connotation ( - sorry, Bruno - ) well, your "solipsism" is such a 'name'.
We live in our own one and pretend to be 'objective'. Indeed our (call it: First Person) mind formulates a 'world of solipsist reality' - one may consider it as 'primal', indeed it is a reflection to who knows what. (Norman's 'reality' vs. Brent's "real real-reality"). Some people are more flexible in this (internal) formulation and absorb impacts from others (what I call 3rd person impact) others just stick to 'their own'. Inevitably reformulating the topics into the original (solipsistic?) original positions to argue about. I don't believe that such cycling is a perfect one: the argued-against positions have an impact. Slow, but adjusting. It is sort of a slow 'moving on'. John Mikes --- Nick Prince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a form of solipsism - it is difficult to > attack it and defending it > can be similarly time consuming. I think we have to > move on and believe > there is a better approach - if only to get > somewhere other than back to the > beginning every time. > > > > > > _____ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Norman Samish <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:53 PM > > Subject: Can we ever know truth? > > > > In a discussion about philosophy, Nick Prince said, > "If we are living in a > simulation. . ." > > > > To which John Mikes replied, "I think this is the > usual pretension. . . I > think 'we simulate what we are living in' according > to the little we know. > Such 'simulation' - 'simplification' - 'modeling' - > 'metaphorizing' - or > even 'Harry Potterizing' things we think does not > change the > 'unknown/unknowable' we live in. We just think and > therefore we think we > are." > > > > This interchange reminded me of thoughts I had as a > child - I used to wonder > if if everything I experienced was real or a dream. > How could I know which > it was? I asked my parents and was discouraged, in > no uncertain terms, from > asking them nonsensical questions. I asked my > playmates and friends, but > they didn't know the answer any more than I did. I > had no other resources > so I concluded that the question was unanswerable > and that the best I could > do was proceed as if what I experienced was reality. > > > > > Now, many years later, I have this list - and > Wikipedia - as resources. > But, as John Mikes (and others) say, I still cannot > know that what I > experience is reality. I can only assume that > reality is how things appear > to me - and I might be wrong. > > > > Norman Samish > > > > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - > Release Date: 08/09/06 > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
