I think it is predictable that LLM's will "think" they are conscious
because they (so far) learn entirely from people who think they are
conscious. So how can we tell if they are really conscious. First we
have to think about what means to be conscious. There are different
kinds of consciousness. There's being aware of your surroundings, where
you are, what and who can you interact with,... Then there's having
imagination, being able to imagine a scenario in which you might be an
actor, e.g. writing a realistic play. I don't think LLM's can meet the
latter standard. I'm not so sure about the former.
Brent
On 12/12/2025 12:06 PM, John Clark wrote:
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I found the following onAstral Codex Ten:
*"Arecent paper <https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.24797> asked AIs whether
they were conscious while monitoring them for signatures of deception,
role-playing, and people-pleasing; it concluded that the AIs
“genuinely” “believe” they are conscious, but sometimes try to deceive
people into thinking they aren’t. Nostalgebraist tries to replicate
this (X) <https://x.com/nostalgebraist/status/1985192211722752333> and
gets more ambiguous results; he says we probably can’t conclude
anything just yet. See also the paper author’s reply here (X)
<https://x.com/juddrosenblatt/status/1985433408231911685>."*
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<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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