Hi John,
I may have picked up the humor from some high school hungarian friends in Montreal 1957-1960 just after the hungarian revolution. There were amongst them some of the most dry-witted people I have ever met.


John M wrote:

I enjoyed your wits, in Hungarian we call that 
"to chase one's brain". 
I am also happy that you use "sane" instead of
"normal" because the "norm" is insane. 

Please do not cut this line (style) of yours!

John Mikes

--- George Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Bruno Marchal wrote:

Le 13-août-06, à 23:48, George Levy a écrit :


"I think" also implies the concept of sanity.
Unless you assume the
first step "I think" and that you are sane, you
can't take any rational
and conscious second step and have any rational
and conscious thought
process. You wouldn't be able to hold any rational
discussion. Inherent
in any computational process is the concept of
sanity. Maybe this is
what Bruno refers to as "sane machine."

All right. The point will be that all machine
strongly-believing or 
communicating or proving their own sanity will
appear to be (from 
purely number-theoretical reasons) insane and even
inconsistent. Note 
that machines communicating that they are *insane*
(instead of sane) 
*are* insane, but remains consistent.
This should please crazy John Mikes :)

 This only proves that a "sane" machine cannot be
sure that it thinks 

So the sane machine would say: "I think but, since I
may be insane,  I 
am not sure if I am."
Only the insane machine would positively assert "I
think therefore I am!"
So we know now where Descartes belongs: in an insane
asylum, so do most 
philosophers, religious leaders and politicians.
Some mathematicians may 
be exempt, but only if they don't claim that Godel
is right!
Don't quote me!




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