Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 20-août-06, à 21:09, 1Z a écrit :
>
> > If minds are made of Platonically existing comptutations
> > or numbers, they don't need to be made of matter as
> > well. In that sense matter would we without purpose.
> >
> > But that depends on the assumption that there is such
> > a thing as Platonic existence in the first place,
> > which needs ot be justified or at least clearly stated.
>
>
> I already told you that I interpret
>
> There exists a prime number "in plato heaven",
>
> by
>
>
> "There exist a prime number" is true independently of me, you, the
> universe ...
>
> comp does not need a magical platonic realm in your sense. I don't
> introduce it for the notion of matter and it would be a fatal damage
> for comp if we were needing such a magic stuff for numbers.
> Comp needs just arithmetical realism AR. It is just the idea that the
> truth value of arithmetical proposition, including existential
> propositions, does not depend on me or of any cognition apparatus
> (indeed "cognition apparatus" are defined, with comp, by relation
> between numbers, like in Artificial Intelligence, or in comp cognitive
> science.
>
> Bruno
>
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
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> Le 20-août-06, à 21:09, 1Z a écrit :
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> <excerpt>If minds are made of Platonically existing comptutations
>
> or numbers, they don't need to be made of matter as
>
> well. In that sense matter would we without purpose.
>
>
> But that depends on the assumption that there is such
>
> a thing as Platonic existence in the first place,
>
> which needs ot be justified or at least clearly stated.
>
> </excerpt>
>
>
> I already told you that I interpret
>
>
> There exists a prime number "in plato heaven",
>
>
> by
>
>
>
> "There exist a prime number" is true independently of me, you, the
> universe ...
>
>
> comp does not need a magical platonic realm in your sense. I don't
> introduce it for the notion of matter and it would be a fatal damage
> for comp if we were needing such a magic stuff for numbers.
>
> Comp needs just arithmetical realism AR. It is just the idea that the
> truth value of arithmetical proposition, <bold><underline>including
> existential propositions</underline></bold>, does not depend on me or
> of any cognition apparatus (indeed "cognition apparatus" are defined,
> with comp, by relation between numbers, like in Artificial
> Intelligence, or in comp cognitive science.

If Plato's heaven doesn't exist, I can't be in it.

If numbers do not explain my existence -- explaining
how a strucuture like a physial world would emerge from
a UD if a UD existed does not explain my *existence* --
then something else does, such  as matter.

> Bruno
>
>
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
> 
> 
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