Le 05-sept.-06, à 19:59, 1Z a écrit :

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> > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> Under one mapping, the physical system implements a program which >> thinks, "I am now experiencing my first second of life". Under a >> different mapping, it implements a program which thinks, "I am now >> experiencing my second second of life". > > And who is doing all the interpreting ? The program itself. And who interprets the program? The universal numbers (= +/- the "godel numbers" of the universal machines). (Note: from the program first person pov, it is the most *probable* universal numbers which will count). And who interprets the universal numbers? I can show that if you believe in the independent truth of even a tiny recursively enumerable subset of the set of the true arithmetical propositions, then you should understand that that tiny part of Arithmetic does, or better, cannot not do the interpretation of the universal numbers. Incompleteness follows, and self-referentially correct universal numbers cannot not gamble on many form of self-indeterminateness (p, Bp, Bp & p, Bp & ~B~p, Bp & ~B~p & p, ...): the n-person point of views (similar to Plotinus' hypostases, I have discovered since). Comp restricts the interpretation of "p" on true Sigma1 sentences (the arithmetical version of turing-equivalence). B is the arithmetical Godel-Lob predicate of provability. With the comp (sigma1) restriction, it is exactly the same arithmetical sentences which are true (p), provable (Bp), known (Bp & p), observed (Bp & ~B~p), feeled (Bp & ~B~p & p), but incompleteness (the G* \minus G gap) makes it impossible for any self-referentially correct universal number to either prove, know, observe, or feel that equivalence, but only to bet on it for some self survival purpose, or not. Realities could emerge from (extensional) arithmetical truth through its unavoidable many internal angle or (intensional, modal) variant. Strictly speaking one for each universal numbers. It is striking that they all obeys similar laws with respect to their self-referential abilities: B is an indexical(*). (*) But still a third person one bearing on a third person! But the fact that B is an indexical does explain a basic relationship which "first person based TOE" like George, David, ... I think. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---