Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
> >
> > You don't think paramecium behaviour could be modelled on a computer?
> >
> > Stathis Papaiaonnou
>
> A paramecium can behave like it's perceiving something. I haven't observed
> it myself but I have spoken to people who have and they say they have
> behaviours which betray some sort of awareness beyond the scope of their
> boundary.

Perception can occur *at* a boundary. Touch is perception.

> A teeny paramecium-sized primitive external world model. A teeny
> bit of adaptive behaviour.
>
> So a computer model?....
>
> A) that included a model of those aspects of the physics participating in
> what the paramecium could have as experiences.
> B) That included all the molecular pathways (cilia molecules, the lot)
> C) that included a model of the response to the perceptual physics
> D) That included a model of the environment of the paramecium
>
> would be pretty good. But the model would not be having experiences.

Because...?

> There's the age old distinction between [modelling perfectly] and [the
> perfect model]. The former aims at "realistic replication". The latter
> aims at "suited to task". I think you could get pretty close to it
> behaviourally. Maybe indistinguishable.
>
> The way to test it? Make the model drive a nano-robot paramecium shell.
> Then let it live with real paramecium. Then expose both to novelty and see
> what the differences are.

Why should there be any? Any AI worthy of the name will learn
form experience. Doing so at  a human level has not been
achieved, doing so a the paramecium level might be a lot easier.

> I don't think any amount of detail will ever make the model or the
> computer it is running on have experiences...

That's an opinion, not an argument.


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