> > But you have no way to know whether phenomenal scenes are created by a > particular computer/robot/program or not because it's just mystery > property defined as whatever creates phenomenal scenes. You're going > around in circles. At some point you need to anchor your theory to an > operational definition.
OK. There is a proven mystery calle dthe hard problem. Documented to death and beyond. Call it Physics X. It is the physics that _predicts_ (NOT DESCRIBES) phenomenal consciousness (PC). We have, through all my fiddling about with scientists, conclusive scientific evidence PC exists and is necessary for science. So what next? You say to yourself... "none of the existing laws of physics predict PC. Therefore my whole conception of how I understand the universe scientifically must be missing something fundamental. Absolutely NONE of what we know is part of it. What could that be?". Then you let yourself have the freedom to explore that possibiltiy. For the answer to is which you seek. The answer? ....is that the physics (rule set) of appearances and the physics (rule set) of the universe capable of generating appearances are not the same rule set! That the universe is NOT made of its appearance, it's made of something _with_ an appearance that is capable of making an appearance generator. That's it. Half the laws of physics are going neglected merely because we won't accept phenomenal consciousness ITSELF as evidence of anything. > If you try to make doing unique science the > operational test, then you've defined 90% of humans and 100% of dogs, > chimps, cats, etc. to be zombies. Nope. I have merely defined them not to be scientists. That's all. Science is merely special enough to allow conclusive testing. That's all I need to do. Cheers Colin Hales --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---