Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > > > > > > Colin Hales writes: > > > >> The very fact that the laws of physics, derived and validated using > >> phenomenality, cannot predict or explain how appearances are generated > >> is > >> proof that the appearance generator is made of something else and that > >> something else else is the reality involved, which is NOT > >> appearances, but independent of them. > >> > >> I know that will sound weird... > >> > >> > > >> >> The only science you can do is "I hypothesise that when I activate > >> this > >> >> nerve, that sense nerve and this one do <this>" > >> > > >> > And I call regularities in my perceptions the "external world", which > >> > becomes so > >> > familiar to me that I forget it is a hypothesis. > >> > >> Except that in time, as people realise what I just said above, the > >> hypothesis has some emprical support: If the universe were made of > >> appearances when we opened up a cranium we'd see them. We don't. We see > >> something generating/delivering them - a brain. That difference is the > >> proof. > > > > I don't really understand this. We see that chemical reactions > > in the brain generate consciousness, so why not stop at that? > > In Gilbert Ryle's words, "the mind is what > > the brain does". It's mysterious, and it's not well > > understood, but it's still just chemistry. > > I have heard this 3 times now! > > 1) Marvin Minski... not sure where but people quote it. > 2) Derek Denton, "The primordial emotions..." > and now > 3) Gilbert Ryle! > > Who really said it? Not that it matters.... OK...back to business.... > > ask your self: > > "If the mind is what the brain does, then what exactly is a coffee cup > doing?"
It's not mind-ing. > For that question is just as valid and has just as complex an > answer... Of course not. > .yet we do not ask it. Every object in the universe is like this. > This is the mother of all anthropomorphisms. > > There is a view of the universe from the perspective of being a coffee cup No there isn't. It has no internal representation of anything else. This isn't a "mysterious qualia" issue. Things like digital cameras and tape recorders demonstrably contain representations.Things like coffee cups don't. > and it is being equivalently created by whatever is the difference between > it and a brain. And you are not entitled to say 'Nothing', all you can say > is that there's no brain material, so it isn't like a brain. You can make > no assertion as to the actual experience because describing a brain does > NOT explain the causality of it....Hot cup? Cold cup? Full? Empty? All the > same? Not the same? None of these questions are helped by the "what the > brain does" bandaid excuse for proper science. Glaring missing physics. > > Zombie room has been deployed... OK dogs... do your worst! Attack! > > :-) > > Colin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---