Tom Caylor writes:

> > Anyway, I don't see how you could deny you are a machine any more than you
> > could deny a car is a machine. You are made up of tiny little components 
> > all working
> > together smoothly, and if something breaks, you break. God could have made 
> > us solid
> > like a potato animated by an immaterial soul, or left out the solid part 
> > altogether, but
> > instead he made every part function in accordance with the basically very 
> > well understood
> > chemistry of a handful of elements. It's amazing that these chemical 
> > reactions give rise to
> > walking, talking humans, but then I'm still pretty impressed that my car 
> > can take me to places
> > in quiet comfort while thousands of explosions are occurring in the engine.
> >
> > Stathis Papaioannou
> > _________________________________________________________________
> This is going to be fun exercise.  "I am not a machine."  There, I just
> denied it, even though you don't see how.  But you now have some
> empirical evidence.  Unless you don't consider me as a valid part of
> the population.  Just kidding, my point is that we can't use science to
> answer these questions.  You and Bruno already are hypothesizing that
> we are machines.  It's fun to see where it leads, but after a finite
> number of steps I want to stop (not "it is the case that I will stop
> independently of what I want", whether or not that is true) because I
> *believe* I am not a machine.  By the way, a car cannot do what I just
> did (in a finite number of steps), unless it is preprogrammed to do it,
> but then that isn't the real thing.
> Tom

If a machine is a device made of moving parts which interact according to the 
laws of physics, 
then I am a machine. The evidence certainly seems to suggest that having the 
right parts in the 
right configuration is *sufficient* to give rise to a conscious human (whether 
it is also *necessary* 
is another question, discussed many times on this list). Do you doubt that 
placing carbon, hydrogen, 
oxygen etc. atoms together in just the right way would result in a living 

Stathis Papaioannou
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