Le 04-déc.-06, à 23:41, Brent Meeker a écrit :

> All the theologians I know of (except maybe Bruno who has his own 
> definition of "theology") hold that God provides all meaning - in fact 
> many regard that as a kind of proof of the existence of God: "If God 
> doesn't exist our lives will have no meaning."  A kind of 
> proof-by-nihilism.

Brent, you already talked once as if I was using the word "theology" in 
some personal sense, and I already give you the source of my 
definition. I am using the word theology in the sense of the one who 
invented the world, and as it has been used during more than one 
millenium: Plato. The definition is in "the laws". Plato defined it by 
the science, that is what reason can say about, the Gods and the God 
and more generally any attempt toward fundamental matter.
It is an entirely contingent and sad fact that theology has been more 
or less stolen by the temporal authoritative power of the Roman, and 
that still today many people forget that theology has been and can 
still be a science, ie something than can be driven by the modesty 
attitude. The reason is that the Church and their objective allied,  
the atheists which are as dogmatic as the leaders of institutionalized 
churches, know that such reasoning on such fundamental matters, is 
always threatening their temporal power.
Now all tradition have had good theologians at all time, even if 
sometimes some are obliged to talk in coded way just for not finishing 
on the fire.
To refuse the use of the original word "theology" is just a way to 
defend (purposefully or not) 1500 years of institutionalized 
Scientist who says today that the mind body is a false problem are just 
playing that game, and today, atheism is much more an aid to "fake 
religion" than even moderate christian theology (which indeed borrowed 
many things in science from the greeks).

You can search for many informations and references on the web which 
will confirm what I say by Googelling, for example,  on the word "plato 
Just one second goggeling: from 

" The term theology is a compound of the Greek words theos ("god") and 
logos ("word," "discourse," "thought," "reason"). Theology may 
therefore be defined as reasoned discourse about God. In a strict sense 
theology considers only the existence and nature of divine being. In 
its wider and more usual sense, however, it may encompass the full 
range of the divine's relationships to the world and to humanity as 
well as the full variety of human responses to the divine. Although 
used more commonly of Western religions, the term may be applied to the 
systematic study and presentation of any religion.

  The first to use the term was apparently the Greek philosopher Plato, 
for whom theology meant a rational conception of the divine as opposed 
to poetic myths about the gods. The subsequent Greek tradition of 
rational theology survived well into Christian times, and aspects of it 
have been influential in shaping various Jewish, Christian, and Islamic 



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