John M wrote:
> Stathis: wise words. (I find your Elvis - Jesus parable exaggerated).
> Values, like ethics or morale is culture related - mostly anti-natural. 

There are no cultures in which people do not love their children, cooperate 
with relatives, seek both security and stimulation.

> The natural way of life is "eat the prey, animal and/or plant", kick out 
> a competitor from your territory, once the lion killed the weaker male: 
> eat his litter, to protect HIS own genes. 

What's natural for lions isn't natural for wolves or dolphins or humans.

>We find in 'groups' some 
> 'societal' degeneration for group-survival, which went over to more 
> sophisticated (human?) society as tribal etc. self-defense philosophy. 
> Developmental factors colored that into diverse belief systems 
> (religions etc.) "Values" are derived from such.

Values existed longer before humans.

Brent Meeker

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