On Mar 5, 4:41 pm, "Tom Caylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 4:54 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On 3/2/07, Tom Caylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > God would be outside of the plenitude, and thus would break the
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> > > meaning/moral circularity inherent in the plenitude, breaking its
> > > symmetry of meaningless whiteness/blackness and bringing order. He
> > > basically would be in charge of the evolution of the countless
> > > histories of the universes. But this seems superfluous to what is
> > > needed for meaning for us in this universe. Thus why bother with
> > > multiverses? You haven't shown how multiverses give meaning.
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> > What about considering God as identical with the plenitude? In a sense, both
> > are omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, transcendent as well as immanent,
> > outside of time and space, the source of all things, and the plenitude has
> > the additional attribute of necessary existence, which is philosophically
> > contentious in God's case (the ontological argument again).
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> Your proposal totally erases God from the picture (which is precisely
> what you want to do, so it is successful, in your view).
> This leaves the original problem as I've explained: The
> "picture" (Everything) is totally blank to begin with.
>
Tom, do you believe that God is omniscient? To me, if God is
omniscient, then all possible universes exist within the mind of God.
The inhabitants of any of those imagined universes, if perfectly
imagined in every detail (perfectly simulated) would also necessarily
be conscious, short of accepting a dualist position.
Jason
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