Hi guys,

Well, Bruno may be interested to know that I've finally come around to

I do now agree, everything emerges from mathematics.  Nevertheless,
the mathematical world does *appear* to seperate into three different
domains; *physical* (material), *teleological* (goal directed) and
*abstract math*, which *look* very different to each other.  My
misunderstanding was based on the fact that I couldn't (and still
don't fully) see how they could be the same.  But yes, I'm now
convinced of COMP.

The relationship is subtle, but I'm now think that the *Mathematical*
domain is primary (most general), the *Teleological* domain is less
general, and the *Physical* domain is least general.

So Math is the bedrock, which supercedes Teleology, which in turn
supercedes Physics.


As regards the Consciousness discussion, there are three things you
need to remember about it;

(1) It's not a thing, it's a process
(2) It's not just a *physical* process, it's also a *mathematical*
(3) It's not just what the process *does* (it's function), it's what
the process *signifies*

I think if you just bear in mind these 3 simple points about
consciousness, you won't go far wrong.

After about 6 years of ganashing my teeth and nearly going insane
thinking about these issues, I have now reached my own tentative (in
principle) answers on most of the big questions, to my own


I don't think *any* of the current scientific or philosophical
persepctives on consciousness are quite right.

Consciousness *is* physical, but it's not *just* physical, it also
extends into the mathematical domain.  So I think that none of the
materialist or dualist positions are correct.  I was fooled by
*functionalism* for a while, but I don't think that's quite right
either.  See point (3) above - it's true that consciousness is a
process, just as the functionalists say. but it's not what the process
*does* (functionalism) that is identical to consciousness, but what
the process *signifies* - consciousness is a *logical representation*
of the meaning of a concept - it is a *language* for representing
concepts - this is NOT the same thing as functionalism.

Cheers all

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