Assumptions assumption assumptions....take a look: You said:
"Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce
results you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms."
OK. here's the rub... /"You didn't already know about..."/.
Just exactly 'who' (the 'you') is 'knowing' in this statement?
You automatically put an external observer outside my statement.
*My observer is the knower.* *There is no other knower:* The scientist
who gets to know is the person I am talking about! There's nobody else
around who gets to decide what is known... you put that into my story
where there is none. My story is of /unsupervised/ learning. Nobody else
gets to choose Bayesian priors/givens. And nobody else is around to pass
judgement... the result IS the knowledge. Tricky eh?
A genetic algorithm (that is, a specific kind of computationalist
manipulation of abstract symbols) cannot be a scientist. Even the 'no
free lunch' theorem, proves that without me adding anything.... but just
to seal the lid on it....I would defy any computationalist artefact
based on abstract symbol manipulation to come up with a "law of nature" ...
... by "law of nature" I mean an ABSTRACTION about the distal natural
world derived from a set of experiences of the distal natural world (NOT
merely IO signals... these are NOT experienced). The IO is degenerately
related to the distal natural world by the laws of physics... a
computationalist IO system is fundamentally degenerately related to the
distal natural world...so it doesn't even know what is 'out there' at
all, let alone that there's a generalisation operating BEHIND it. A "law
of nature", to a genetic algorithm or any other
abstract/computationalist beast... would merely predict IO behaviour at
its sensory boundary. It may be brilliantly accurate! But that *IS NOT
SCIENCE* because there's no verifiable deliverable to pass on...and it
has nothing else to work with. An artefact based on this may survive in
a habitat... but that is NOT science.
So....there's no scientist here. (BTW IO = input/output).
Jesse Mazer wrote:
> Colin Hales wrote:
>> Computationalism is FALSE in the sense that it cannot be used to construct a
>> A scientist deals with the UNKNOWN.
>> If you could compute a scientist you would already know everything! Science
>> would be impossible.
>> So you can 'compute/simulate' a scientist, but if you could the science must
>> already have been done...
> Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce results
> you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms.
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at