Hello Bruno, I must admit you have completely lost me with MGA 3.
With MGA 1 and 2, I would say that, with MEC+MAT, also the the projection of the movie (and Lucky Alice in 1) are conscious - because it supervenes on the physical activity. MEC says: it's the computation that counts, not the substrate. MAT says: we need some substrate to perform a computation. In MGA 1 and 2 we have substrates (neurons or optical boolean graph that performs the computation). Now in MGA 3 you say: > Now, consider the projection of the movie of the activity of Alice's > brain, "the movie graph". > Is it necessary that someone look at that movie? Certainly not. Agreed. > Is it necessary to have a screen? Well, the range of activity here is > just one dynamical description of one computation. Suppose we make a > hole in the screen. What goes in and out of that hole is exactly the > same, with the hole and without the hole. For that unique activity, the > hole in the screen is functionally equivalent to the subgraph which the > hole removed. We can remove those optical boolean nodes which are not relevant for the caterpillar dream >Clearly we can make a hole as large as the screen, so no > need for a screen. but no! Then we wouldn't have a substrate anymore. You are dropping MAT at this step, not leading MEC+MAT to a contradiction. > But this reasoning goes through if we make the hole in the film itself. > Reconsider the image on the screen: with a hole in the film itself, you > get a "hole" in the movie, but everything which enters and go out of the > hole remains the same, for that (unique) range of activity. The "hole" > has trivially the same functionality than the subgraph functionality > whose special behavior was described by the film. And this is true for > any subparts, so we can remove the entire film itself. We can talk about this part after I understand why you can drop our optical boolean network *grin* Cheers, Günther --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
