Hi, > I would say the Universal Soul. To be the ONE? The difficulty is that > Plotinus is not always clear.
I go now from my reading of mystical texts, not from the arithmetic interpretation - and here mystics often report feeling at one with the universe, everything etc. I would say that this is the realization that your true nature (to be more precise than before) is not different than that of the ONE/dao/etc. > The "universal soul" hypostase *is* a first person (or a theory about > a first person). Some would say it is just an "abstract person". That > it is just the least common part of all souls, or in the arithmetical > "toy" theology, that is the common part of all first persons Ok, I think attaining this "minimal person" is also a meditative state, but the full mystical experience reported in all cultures etc would be union with the ONE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophia_perennis QUOTE: The Perennial Philosophy is expressed most succinctly in the Sanskrit formula, tat tvam asi ('That thou art'); the Atman, or immanent eternal Self, is one with Brahman, the Absolute Principle of all existence; and the last end of every human being, is to discover the fact for himself, to find out who he really is. Aldous Huxley END QUOTE > total amnesia (forgetting not just who you are, but that you are, + > forgetting everything up to the idea of time and space), yet remaining > conscious, if not being even much more conscious with the feeling that > memories are making you less conscious, and that a memory-brain is a > filter on histories. Stable memories differentiate consciousness Yes, I agree, I think brains/memories are filters on histories; but the above description of pure consciousness - what introspective reason leads you to believe that that is still the experience of a (minimal) person an not already experience of the "source"? (I like to change words for the "ONE" so that no connotations become entrenched; after all, it is "described" as the ineffable) > A problem for comp is that, well at least I have thought that comp > makes the soul (the first person, the third hypostase) conscious only > through its building or generating time. But the salvia reports and my > own experiences make me think I could be wrong there. Indeed, a first person, namely, what we call a person (narrative, history, agency, autonomy etc) requires temporality. > ==================== > AUDA in short. > Ok, you have whetted my appetite, now I will have to read the Plotinus paper ;-) Cheers, Günther --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---