On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2009, at 03:04, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> > 2009/2/24 Brent Meeker <meeke...@dslextreme.com>:
> >> I tend to agree with Quentin that memories are an essential
> >> component of
> >> personal identity. But that also raises a problem with ideas like
> >> "observer moments" and "continuity". Almost all my memories are not
> >> being remembered at an given time. Some I may not recall for years
> >> at a
> >> time. I may significant periods of time in which I am not
> >> consciously
> >> recalling any memories. So then how can memories and continuity be
> >> essential? I practice we rely on continuity of the body and then
> >> ask,
> >> "Does this body have (some) appropriate memories?"
> > The continuity is contingent on having access to the relevant memories
> > as required. If you are listening to a recording the parts where the
> > music plays must be from that particular recording, but the silent
> > parts could as easily be from any other recording. In the same way, if
> > you are staring at a blank wall thinking of nothing for a moment, then
> > during that moment you might be a generic human having such a similar
> > experience.
> Exactly (assuming comp). That is even the reason why amnesia can led
> to fusion of first persons.
> And given that there is (or should be) a notion of first person
> plural, with duplication of collection of people, there must be in
> "nature" a similar fusion process, and quantum erasing phenomenon is
> the normal candidate.
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
It is the potential "fusion" that bothers me. It would seem to imply that
after Stathis and I have a simultaneous moment of thinking of nothing our
"closest continuations" might be mixtures, each having some memories
belonging to Stathis and some belonging to me. But this doesn't seem to
occur - which we easily explain in terms of the causal continuity of the
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
For more options, visit this group at