> I'm afraid you are solipsist. Ha! Ouch! But it's not quite as simple as that. I don't deny that there MAY be something that causes consciousness, BUT if there is...this ultimately doesn't matter. In the final view, the conclusion is the same...consciousness experience just is what it is.
Further, I definitely don't deny the existence of conscious experiences other than mine. And there's nothing I've said that implies this. In fact, I've explicitly said the exact opposite in a response to David in this very thread. So, if I'm a solipsist, so are you, and so is basically everyone EXCEPT those who believe (somehow) in libertarian free will. Which you and I and David at least have all disavowed as being a nonsensical concept. SO, in our last couple of emails we focused on the explanatory gap...which is really just the wakeup call that something's out of whack with our view of reality. It's not part of the core argument I'm making. My main argument is not even really *against* your theory...my argument relates to what your theory means if it is true (which it may be, who knows): If numbers and their relations exist timeless and uncaused, and our consciousness is (to use your description) the view from inside a local summary of the infinities of computational relations between all the numbers, THEN our conscious experiences are also objectively timeless, aren't they? And so they can all be viewed as existing simultaneously, even if they have the subjective feel of being sequential when experienced "from the inside". If these conscious experiences all exist necessarily as a consequence of "the infinities of computational relations between all the numbers" (TIOCRBAN), then they just exist. There is no reason that TIOCRBAN have this conscious aspect, it's just the way arithmetical reality is. So, why do you feel the desire to understand conscious experience? Well, this desire is a timeless and eternal consequence of TIOCRBAN. This conscious experience of desire that you feel in this moment has always existed and will always exist in TIOCRBAN. Will you succeed in your quest? Trick question! The future already exists! If you succeed, this success already exists timelessly and eternally in TIOCRBAN. In fact, maybe a "Bruno experience" of success AND of failure both exist somewhere within TIOCRBAN. The entire collection of Bruno's conscious experiences just exist. And they just are what they are. This feeling of effort that you have of working towards your goal...it just exists. There is no effort, only the experience of effort. The feeling of understanding when you learn something new? There is no understanding OR learning...there is only the experience of these things, caused by the intrinsic nature of TIOCRBAN, and like TIOCRBAN existing timelessly and eternally. If TIOCRBAN causes your conscious experiences, then TIOCRBAN do all of the work. Your conscious experience is just along for the ride as an aspect, a facet, of TIOCRBAN. Further, if TIOCRBAN just exists, uncaused and timeless, then your experiences also just exist as an aspect of TIOCRBAN and thus also uncaused and timeless. If there is no reason behind the nature of TIOCRBAN, then there is no reason behind the nature of your conscious experiences. No explanation is possible, only description. Right? How could it be otherwise? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---