On 1 Sep, 16:34, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> On 01 Sep 2009, at 16:53, Flammarion wrote:
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> > On 1 Sep, 15:50, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 2009/9/1 Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com>:
>
> >>> On 1 Sep, 15:00, David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 1 Sep, 13:08, Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> That is the point.  I should say that my starting position
> >>>>>> before encountering Bruno's views was against the tenability of
> >>>>>> CTM on
> >>>>>> the basis of any consistent notion of physical process.  Bruno
> >>>>>> hasn't
> >>>>>> yet persuaded me that an explicitly non-computational theory of
> >>>>>> mind
> >>>>>> on some such basis is actually untenable.  But he has awakened
> >>>>>> me to
> >>>>>> the reverse realisation that a non-materialist world-view can
> >>>>>> tenably
> >>>>>> be founded on CTM
>
> >>>>> coupled with Platonism.
>
> >>>> With respect, Peter, you continue to miss the point.  What Bruno
> >>>> has
> >>>> demonstrated is that CTM as a mind-body theory (which is what UDA-8
> >>>> shows it must be) makes no ontological commitment *by its very
> >>>> virtuality*.  Or rather, any such commitment is shown to be
> >>>> vacuous.
>
> >>> There's got to be somehting at the bottom of the stack. Bruno
> >>> wants to substitue matetr with Platonia as the substrate.
> >>> If there is nothing at the bottom
> >>> of the stack, there are no virtualisations running higher up.
>
> >> There's no bottom. Why would you need one ? It's turtle all the way
> >> down !
>
> > That's another version of Platonia and therefore still an ontological
> > commitment.
>
> No, it is the same arithmetical truth, but from the first person
> perspective.

A bottomless stack that has no ontological existence is irrelevant.
I can't be implemented by what doesn't exist.
Either it is warmed-over Platonia or it is nothing.

> For this you need step seven + step eight.
> You have not yet answer to the question about step seven I ask
> yesterday.
>
> Bruno
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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