On 22 Sep 2009, at 23:47, Flammarion wrote:

> On 22 Sep, 21:53, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well little problem in gmail sorry.
>> So I do it again /o\
>> Sorry I wanted to write "it does *add* nothing".
>> Level 0 is not part of the computation. And I still don't see how  
>> you can
>> relate physically running a program on a computer, and running it  
>> on an
>> abaccus, with a pen and a sheet of paper, in my mind. The only  
>> relation is
>> the abstract computation.
> 1. The notion of immaterial computation needs defense since all known
> computers are material

Physicisist cannot yet define computation (except in a sense  
immaterial quantum computations).

it is a notion dicovered by mathematicians.

I am no more sure what you mean by computation, now. How does your  
primary matter implements computations?


> 2. Level 0 as part of materialism makes a difference because it makes
> different
> predictions about what I will "probably* observe.
> 3. Contrived BIV scenarios do not affect what I will "probably*
> observe.
> >


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