2009/10/5 John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com>: > Excellent points, Stathis. > What I would add (maybe as my Ciceronian "Ceterum censeo") is the lack of a > knowable POV of P3: 'we' can only realize OUR version of understanding about > it.
This is true, but there is a distinction between the private and the public. What I am able to observe, record and share about you has a lot in common with what billions of other people could observe, record and share about you, given the opportunity, even if there are individual differences. But what you experience yourself is - somehow - qualitatively different. > The POV S1 = S2 is true only at the instantiation, because affter that both > are under non-identical influences of their particulat environments and so > evolve differently. I think it is assumed for the purpose of the experiment that the relevant environments are controlled so that the two instantiations remain close enough that S1=S2 at all times. Of course, in practice if you made an exact copy of yourself and released it into the environment within fractions of a second it will start to differentiate from you. > I also wonder about the "physical" in the clones' identity: we are not > 'physical' at all, the figment of the materialist evaluation of our > 'personhood' or 'self' is not substitutable for what we really are (anybody > knows the answer to that?) - but SOME mentality I am magnanimous enought to > add to all of us. Unless, of course, someone includes such into the > "physical". > (What some neurologists seem willing to do on the basis that we know about > some physical-physiological treatment applied to mental domains done by the > brain-tissue tool and wash away the rest (unknown?) into a "somehow"). We start off assuming a physicalist comp (for want of a better term) where the mental supervenes on the physical, which is what Bruno is getting at (as a first step) when he asks if you will say "yes" to the doctor if offered a new digital brain. But then, following this assumption to its conclusion, it turns out that physicalist comp is quite difficult to maintain. -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---