Marty, how about my weird question: "and if 1 is wrong and what he 'sees' as OA is only a replica of the OA and is WRONG? Is 'being a replica' a human priviledge? (Forget it!) John M
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, m.a. <[email protected]> wrote: > Bruno, > Good to see you back! I have a question with reference to the > experiment described in the first person indeterminacy paper. If, before the > teleportation, the omniscient authority tells the subject that he will find > a zero in his envelope, both subjects will expect to find a zero after the > procedure, no? The subject who finds the 1, must inevitably conclude that he > is in fact a duplicate since he trusts the OA implicitly and reasons that if > he were the original (real) subject, he would be seeing a zero. Where is the > flaw in my logic? marty a. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 11:45 AM > *Subject:* Re: request for glossary + announcement that the seventh step > series thread will soon be resumed > > Hi all, > > Welcome to fcy > > "Universal Dance Association" is quite cute :) A universal dance could be a > Universal Dovetailer if "digital dance" could make sense. > > UDA (in this list) is for Universal Dovetailer Argument. You should google > on this term, on the net or on the everything-list archive. You may look > here also for references: > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/web/auda > > A universal dovetailer is a program which generates and execute all > possible programs. It is a mathematical object and its existence follows > from the Post-Church-Turing thesis. > > The universal dovetailer argument is an argument which shows that the > mechanist hypothesis leads to a notion of strong first person indeterminacy, > and that eventually the laws of both physics and psychology/theology (quanta > and qualia) have to be derived from "pure" number theory/computer science. > > If I succeed to explain UDA sufficiently well, I will be able to give some > account of AUDA which is far more sophisticated, and useful only to get > already quantitative physical information from numbers/computer science (as > opposed to UDA which "just" show that physics has to be given by a first > person measure on the computations occurring in the universal dovetailing). > > ---- > > Elsevier has asked me to write some topics on its SciTopics. You may take a > look at > > > http://www.scitopics.com/The_first_person_computationalist_indeterminacy.html > > http://www.scitopics.com/Godel_Mind_and_Machine.html > > Comments are welcomed. > > I let you know that I will have some more time for now (October was very > heavy!). So it is time to ask questions for the thread "the seven step > series" (which is about the seventh step of the UDA) before I proceed. I > will make a little sum up next week. There has been more than five versions > of UDA already send to the list, but I am not sure everyone understand, so > please ask questions. All questions are allowed on this non moderate list, > so feel free, to ask anything (related) to the everything-like approach in > the search of a "TOE" (Theory of > everything-including-consciousness-and-person (as opposed to the TOE of the > physicians which search to unify only what is observable and third person > describable). > > Marty, Kim, are you still there? Have you a problem with Cantor diagonal > proof of the non enumerability of the set of functions from N to N (N^N)? Or > do you prefer I explain this again in the sum up? > > > > > On 05 Nov 2009, at 06:03, fcy wrote: > > > As a newcomer to this group, there are many things I'm unable to > follow, in detail, due to unfamiliarity with many of the acronyms. > > For instance, googling UDA turns up links related to the Ulster > Defense Association, the Universal Dance Association, Urban Design > Associates, and the United Dairymen of Arizona, none of which seem to > be what's being discussed here. > > Thanks in advance, > > fcy > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
