Marty,
how about my weird question: "and if 1 is wrong and what he 'sees' as OA is
only a replica of the OA and is WRONG? Is 'being a replica' a human
priviledge?
(Forget it!)
John M

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, m.a. <marty...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  Bruno,
>               Good to see you back! I have a question with reference to the
> experiment described in the first person indeterminacy paper. If, before the
> teleportation, the omniscient authority tells the subject that he will find
> a zero in his envelope, both subjects will expect to find a zero after the
> procedure, no? The subject who finds the 1, must inevitably conclude that he
> is in fact a duplicate since he trusts the OA implicitly and reasons that if
> he were the original (real) subject, he would be seeing a zero. Where is the
> flaw in my logic?        marty a.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
> *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 11:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: request for glossary + announcement that the seventh step
> series thread will soon be resumed
>
> Hi all,
>
> Welcome to fcy
>
> "Universal Dance Association" is quite cute :) A universal dance could be a
> Universal Dovetailer if "digital dance" could make sense.
>
> UDA (in this list) is for Universal Dovetailer Argument. You should google
> on this term, on the net or on the everything-list archive. You may look
> here also for references:
>
>  http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/web/auda
>
> A universal dovetailer is a program which generates and execute all
> possible programs. It is a mathematical object and its existence follows
> from the Post-Church-Turing thesis.
>
> The universal dovetailer argument  is an argument which shows that the
> mechanist hypothesis leads to a notion of strong first person indeterminacy,
> and that eventually the laws of both physics and psychology/theology (quanta
> and qualia) have to be derived from "pure" number theory/computer science.
>
> If I succeed to explain UDA sufficiently well, I will be able to give some
> account of AUDA which is far more sophisticated, and useful only to get
> already quantitative physical information from numbers/computer science (as
> opposed to UDA which "just" show that physics has to be given by a first
> person measure on the computations occurring in the universal dovetailing).
>
> ----
>
> Elsevier has asked me to write some topics on its SciTopics. You may take a
> look at
>
>
> http://www.scitopics.com/The_first_person_computationalist_indeterminacy.html
>
> http://www.scitopics.com/Godel_Mind_and_Machine.html
>
> Comments are welcomed.
>
>  I let you know that I will have some more time for now (October was very
> heavy!). So it is time to ask questions for the thread "the seven step
> series" (which is about the seventh step of the UDA) before I proceed. I
> will make a little sum up next week. There has been more than five versions
> of UDA already send to the list, but I am not sure everyone understand, so
> please ask questions. All questions are allowed on this non moderate list,
> so feel free, to ask anything (related) to the everything-like approach in
> the search of a "TOE" (Theory of
> everything-including-consciousness-and-person (as opposed to the TOE of the
> physicians which search to unify only what is observable and third person
> describable).
>
> Marty, Kim, are you still there? Have you a problem with Cantor diagonal
> proof of the non enumerability of the set of functions from N to N (N^N)? Or
> do you prefer I explain this again in the sum up?
>
>
>
>
>  On 05 Nov 2009, at 06:03, fcy wrote:
>
>
> As a newcomer to this group, there are many things I'm unable to
> follow, in detail, due to unfamiliarity with many of the acronyms.
>
> For instance, googling UDA turns up links related to the Ulster
> Defense Association, the Universal Dance Association, Urban Design
> Associates, and the United Dairymen of Arizona, none of which seem to
> be what's being discussed here.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> fcy
>
>
>
>
>  http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
>
>
> >
>

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