On 12 Jan 2010, at 20:55, Mark Buda wrote:
On Jan 12, 3:32 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
Here's another: Consciousness is computation.
Consciousness is a first person notion.
Computation is a third person notion.
How could those be identified?
How could they be different?
Computation is a third person notion. It can be defined formally in
Consciousness is a first person notion. Even with comp, especially
with comp and some definition, consciousness cannot be defined formally.
You are doing the same category mistake than those who says "brain =
mind". Those are different type of notion.
You need the physical supervenience thesis to *associate* mind to
brain. And with comp, to associate consciousness to computational
state(s)/computation, you need a computational supervenience thesis,
which is not something easy to define. But we know today it cannot be
a 1-1 relation.
I think that there is still a confusion between 1-OM and 3-OM. 1-OM
are not just the result of a statistics on the 3-OMs. The failure of
the identity thesis prevents any simple relation between 1-OM and 3-OM.
Consciousness is an attribute of a person. With comp it needs many 3-
OM + some structures. We can try to derive such structure from
computer science, + some theory of knowledge (like Theaetetus' one).
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