Brent, nice statement:

     *  "But it's certainly not a deterministic universe" *
**
I have to take your word, because the reference you gave said:  * "NOT
FOUND"*
So what kind of a 'universe' is it? bootstrap, self reflecting autodidacta?
Creator-made?
John M
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On 3/11/10, Brent Meeker <meeke...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/11/2010 1:26 PM, m.a. wrote:
>
> *Bruno and John,*
> *                           The confusion is my fault. I copied the URL
> from a Kurzweil page heading when I should have gone to the article itself,
> so the wrong feature appeared. This is the one I requested comments about:
> *
>
>
> *http://www.physorg.com/news186830615.html*<http://www.physorg.com/news186830615.html>
>
> (Excerpts)
> *PhysOrg.com) -- When biologist Anthony Cashmore claims that the concept
> of free will is an illusion, he's not breaking any new ground. At least as
> far back as the ancient Greeks, people have wondered how humans seem to have
> the ability to make their own personal decisions in a manner lacking any
> causal component other than their desire to "will" something. But Cashmore,
> Professor of Biology at the University of Pennsylvania, says that many
> biologists today still cling to the idea of free will, and reject the idea
> that we are simply conscious machines, completely controlled by a
> combination of our chemistry and external environmental forces.*
> **
> *To put it simply, free will just doesn’t fit with how the physical world
> works. Cashmore compares a belief in free will to an earlier belief in
> vitalism - the belief that there are forces governing the biological world
> that are distinct from those governing the physical world. Vitalism was
> discarded more than 100 years ago, being replaced with evidence that
> biological systems obey the laws of chemistry and physics, not special
> biological laws for living things.“I would like to convince biologists that
> a belief in free will is nothing other than a continuing belief in vitalism
> (or, as I say, a belief in magic),” Cashmore told PhysOrg.com. *
> **
> *There seems to be an evolutionary rightness and inevitability to the idea
> that free will is taking its place as just another illusion like vitalism,
> religion, aether, absolute time and space, geocentric universe,
> single-galaxy universe and so on. But I think people will have an even
> tougher time dealing with the implications of strict determinism. It's an
> idea that could tear through the entire fabric of society even though
> acceptance needn't change one's behavior in the slightest respect.     marty
> a.*
>
>
>
> But it's certainly not a deterministic universe.
>
>
> _http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0604/0604079.pdf_
>
>
> Brent
>
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