On 16 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Brent Meeker wrote:
I think intelligence in the context of a particular world requires
acting within that world. Humans learn language starting with
ostensive definition: (pointing) "There that's a chair. Sit in
it. That's what it's for. Move it where you want to sit." An AI
that was given all the books in the world to learn might very well
learn something, but it would have a different kind of intelligence
than human because it developed and functions in a different
context. For an AI to develop human like intelligence I think it
would need to be in something like a robot, something capable of
acting in the world.
I agree with you. Unless you mean by 'world' a necessarily physical or
material world. The 'robot' cannot distinguish a physical world (if
that exists primarily) from a virtual world, nor from an arithmetical
But I follow you that an intelligence may have to follow a long/deep
computational history to acquire some skills.
We *can* program a machine with the instruction (roughly described) by
"help yourself", and such a program may succeed in developing
intelligence, but it may take a very long time.
Once done, it can be copied, like 'nature' does all the time. In that
way evolution can be sped up, and the embryogenesis does that by
"simulating" the phylogenesis in part.
For a platonist, AI research can be compared to fishing. The
'intelligent entities' are already 'there', and we may isolated by
filtring technic (like genetic programming, virtual evolution, or more
abstract technics). Initial intelligence can take time, but
intelligence (and consciousness) are, for the programs having them,
Do you agree that the nature of the base environment(s) is irrelevant
for the development of intelligence?
It depends only on mathematical truth like "from brain's state A the
history-measure of Brent's brain relative states B with Brent
asserting "we need primary matter" is bigger than the history measure
where Brent asserts "we don't".
The measure is mathematical, but not arithmetical, although it refers
only to number relations. But then "experiences" are epistemological,
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