On Feb 17, 10:38 pm, benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Brent Meeker-2 wrote:
>
> > On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote:
>
> >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote:
>
> >>> On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote:
>
> >>>> 1Z wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk<benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>>> 1Z wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at
> >>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>> with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics has
> >>>>>>>>>> to
>
> >>>>>> be
>
> >>>>>>>>>> reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an
> >>>>>>>>>> invisible
> >>>>>>>>>> epiphenomena.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Physics cannot be eliminated in favour of non existent numbers.
> >>>>>>>>> Numbers
> >>>>>>>>> have to exist for the conclusion to follow
>
> >>>>>>>> Physics is not eliminated, on the contrary, physics is explained
> >>>>>>>> from
>
> >>>>>>>> something non physical.
>
> >>>>>>> The anti realist position is not that numbers are some existing non-
> >>>>>>> physical
> >>>>>>> thing: it is that they are not existent at all.
>
> >>>>>> If numbers don't exist at all, what does a statement that seems very
> >>>>>> much
> >>>>>> like a non-fictional and true statement, like "I have two hands"
> >>>>>> mean?
>
> >>>>> It's asserting the existence of hands, not numbers.
>
> >>>> You can't have one without the other.
>
> > Sure you can.  You can have an apple and an orange.  Whether they
> > constitute two of something depends on you thinking of them as fruits.
>
> I don't think you can conceive of "an apple and and orange" without them
> constituting two things.

That doesn't mean "two" is a third thing with a separate exisence.

>The "and" already implies there are two things
> (usually).
>
> But even if we grant that an apple and an orange are not necessarily two
> things

THat is not what is at dispute. Two fruit are two fruit, not two fruit
and
one number.

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