On 04 Mar 2011, at 15:24, 1Z wrote:

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On Mar 4, 8:02 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:Somehow. The fundamentality arrow is roughly like this: NUMBERS => UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS => PHYSICAL LAWS => BIOLOGICAL CONSCIOUSNESS.On the other hand: PHYSICS=>COMPUTATION=>CONSCIOUSNESS=>NUMBERS Shows how computationalism is compatible with mathematical anti realism

`I remind you that you are the one defending computationalism (yes`

`doctor + Church thesis) and mathematical antirealism. I am the one`

`arguing that comp is incompatible with materialism/physicalism.`

`What is left, without materialism, could be biologicalism,`

`mathematicalism, ... perhaps theologicalism. The terms are not`

`important. To understand the reasoning and its implications is what`

`matter.`

`Computationalism needs only the common sense idea in math that if u is`

`a universal number then u(n) will converge or will not converge. This`

`can be seen as a formal statement.`

Are you conceding that we have to abandon comp to keep math? Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.