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From: Brent Meeker Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:09 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

On 3/6/2011 7:18 AM, 1Z wrote:

On Mar 4, 7:10 pm, Brent Meeker<meeke...@dslextreme.com>  wrote:

Collapse "appears" to instruments as well as people - that's why we can
shared records of experiments and agree on them. I'm not sure what you
mean by "account for" collapse.  At least one interpretation of QM,
advocated by Peres, Fuchs, and Omnes for example, is that the "collapse"
is purely epistemological.  All that changes is our knowledge or model
of the state and QM merely predicts probabilities for this change.

Such epistemological theories need to be carefully distinguished from
"consciousness causes
collapse" theories.

Right.  Epistemological "collapse" is nothing but a change in
information that causes us to change our description.

Is the "causes" word even necessary? Would it not be accurate to say that a change in information = a change in our description, unless you are assuming some sort of pluralistic 1st person view, i.e. from the point of view of many (a fixed set of observers): 'collapse' is nothing but a change in the information common to all that "causes' (or necessitates!) a change in the description of each individual to remain a viable member of the 'many'?



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