On Mar 9, 5:56 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> In that sense all right. Comp is the theory which accept as axiom that  
> my brain/body is Turing emulable at some level.
> But in that sense, comp is a theory of everything. Indeed, it even  
> makes elementary arithmetic a theory of everything, with both quanta  
> and qualia derivable from digital machine's self-reference.

Comp is not a TOE without Platonism

> >> But then if you abandon comp at this stage, it means I have made my
> >> point. I thought you were defending COMP + MAT(*)
> > I was pointing out that COMP does not imply not-MAT once
> > PLATO is dropped. COMP may be a bad theory for other reasons.
> COMP makes no sense at all without "Plato" (that is we need to believe  
> that phi_x(y) converges or does not converge.

Platonism is not bivalence

> No more is needed for  
> the epistemological reversal. Or show the flaw in UDA, or show where  
> more than such "Plato" is used.
> >> If you have a theory of qualia using primitive matter, and coherent
> >> with comp, then you should be able to use it to extract a flaw in the
> >> UD Argument.
> > Here's one: minds can be computed,  but they only have
> > real conscious if they run "on the metal" (at the zeroth
> > level of abstraction). That's not your version of COMP,
> > but it is adequate for most AI researchers, and for
> > anybody who wants to be reincarnated in silicon
> Then there is a flaw in UDA+MGA. Where?

You can't disprove materialism without assuming

> >>> That artificial people
> >>> do not have "real feelings" is a staple of sci fi.
> >> And ?
> > So the intuitions that underly the HP also
> > underly the badness of COMP as a theory
> > of qualia
> What is HP?

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