On Mar 9, 5:56 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> In that sense all right. Comp is the theory which accept as axiom that > my brain/body is Turing emulable at some level. > But in that sense, comp is a theory of everything. Indeed, it even > makes elementary arithmetic a theory of everything, with both quanta > and qualia derivable from digital machine's self-reference. Comp is not a TOE without Platonism > >> But then if you abandon comp at this stage, it means I have made my > >> point. I thought you were defending COMP + MAT(*) > > > I was pointing out that COMP does not imply not-MAT once > > PLATO is dropped. COMP may be a bad theory for other reasons. > > COMP makes no sense at all without "Plato" (that is we need to believe > that phi_x(y) converges or does not converge. Platonism is not bivalence > No more is needed for > the epistemological reversal. Or show the flaw in UDA, or show where > more than such "Plato" is used. > > > > >> If you have a theory of qualia using primitive matter, and coherent > >> with comp, then you should be able to use it to extract a flaw in the > >> UD Argument. > > > Here's one: minds can be computed, but they only have > > real conscious if they run "on the metal" (at the zeroth > > level of abstraction). That's not your version of COMP, > > but it is adequate for most AI researchers, and for > > anybody who wants to be reincarnated in silicon > > Then there is a flaw in UDA+MGA. Where? You can't disprove materialism without assuming Platonism > >>> That artificial people > >>> do not have "real feelings" is a staple of sci fi. > > >> And ? > > > So the intuitions that underly the HP also > > underly the badness of COMP as a theory > > of qualia > > What is HP? The Hard Problem -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.