on 20.03.2011 15:03 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 19 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
on 19.03.2011 20:16 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
As I have written, I rather follow my intuition rather than logic.
So I cannot explain why I do not go further with step 4, 5, 6 and
so on. It well may be that my unconsciousness do not believe in
"Yes, doctor", I just do not know.
I don't know either. In science we never know, that is why we try to
make clear the theories, and to derive propositions *in* such
I agree and this is why I follow the everything-list.
On the other hand, I am practitioner and I like more pondering for
example what happens if to put together Watson (IBM computer that
won Jeopardy) and Big Dog
Big dog is very impressive, and Watson too, but in very different
domains. In AI the difficulty is in the integration of knowledge, and
the development of a sense of self.
This is why collective systems of robots could be a good toy to try it
out. In this respect I like a lot the book by Dario Floreano and Claudio
Mattiussi, Bio-Inspired Artificial Intelligence: Theories, Methods, and
Technologies, 2008. Well, they do not discuss consciousness, they are
even careful with the term intelligence:
p. 585 Conclusion: "A careful reader have noticed that we have not yet
defined what intelligence is. This was done on purpose because
intelligence has different meanings for different persons and in
different situations. For example, some believe that intelligence is the
ability to be creative; other think that it is the ability to make
predictions; and others believe that intelligence exists only in the eye
of the observer. In this book we have shown that biological and
artificial intelligence manifests itself though multiple processes and
mechanisms that interact at different spatial and temporal scales to
produce emergent and functional behavior. The most important implication
of the approaches presented here is that understanding and engineering
intelligence does not reduce to replicating a mammalian brain in a
computer but requires also capturing multiply types and levels of
interactions, such as those between brains and bodies, individual and
societies, learning and behavior, evolution and development,
self-protection and self-repair, to mention a few".
Yet, it gives a nice overview of what engineers are doing nowadays and
it helps to understand how Big Dog may function.
Clearly qualia is a problem, have no idea how it could emerge. On the
other hand, biologists claim that even bacteria can perceive
so, who knows.
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