On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:17:38AM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
> 
> Having an experience includes experiencing duration and sequence.
> 
> >Russell posited that the OM could be defined as the “state of a
> >machine” in 
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list@googlegroups.com/msg14307.html
> >
> 
> Why would we suppose something static, like a "state", could
> constitute an OM that includes the experience of time?  That's why I
> think OMs are vague and the term is not well defined.

I thought the whole idea of an OM was that it didn't include the
experience of time. It is an atomic structure of experience. Time can
only be experienced as motion from one OM to the next (via projection,
for example).

> 
> Brent
> 
> >>     My argument is that the traditional notion of a measure does not
> >> apply because we cannot assume the simultaneous co-reliability of OMs,
> >> thus the DA is an artifact of misapplied statistics.
> >
> >I don't understand that.
> >[SPK]
> >The Doomsday argument discusses the statistics of an ensemble of
> >possible humans.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument
> >“The *Doomsday argument* (*DA*) is a probabilistic argument
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_argument> that claims
> >to predict <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predict> the number of
> >future members of the human species
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_species> given only an
> >estimate of the total number of humans born so far. Simply put, it
> >says that supposing the humans alive today are in a random place
> >in the whole human history timeline, chances are we are about
> >halfway through it.”
> >    My point is that “the whole human history timeline” assumes
> >the Newtonian (Laplacean Demon
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon>) idea that all
> >events are observable by some hypothetical entity that is exterior
> >to the universe (aka God). Do I need to knock that rubbish pile
> >over for you?
> >Onward!
> >Stephen
> >.
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