Hi all, I'm a long time reader of this forum with a strong interest in all TOE concepts but has never felt able to contribute to the discussion. However, over the last few days, I think I've discovered a *very* general argument (no numbers whatsoever!) that implicates determistic non-local hidden variables (and NOT traditional MWI, at least, not "at first") as the "correct" QM, from the simple assumption that the universe must be computable in some reasonable model of computation.

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I have also concluded that this fact, almost in and of itself, can retrodict much of modern physics and "much more". I know it sounds crazy, but here is the argument in a nutshell, which I will explain further. 1) A computable universe implies determinism and conservation of algorithmic information along at some axis of symmetry (and actually, at the end of this, *all axes*, but say some for now). 2) Many worlds, as normally formulated, preserves algorithmic information but is *not* computable, unless you implicitly add hidden variables. By Bell's theorem, local hidden variables are impossible, so these hidden variable cannot be local, leading inexorably to determinstic non-local hidden variables. 3) Surprisingly, even the most general model of global hidden variables suggests enough to retrodict qualitative much of modern physics, including gravity, QM, cosmology, and theromodynamics, and may imply a VERY general physical TOE. 4) Taken to the logical limit, this could imply more than you can imagine. Also, I'm writing this as a pseudonym, for reasons that will become clear. (Specifically, the content of the last part of my argument) So, here goes: ****Computability implies conservation of algorithmic information**** This follows from the definition of algorithmic (i.e. Kolmogorov) complexity. Let us assume the universe is computed over time, so we can say that the number of bits required to specify a state of the universe has constant cardinality over time. (This must be true even if you allow hypercomputation over an infinite number of bits...) ****Many worlds is uncomputable**** All many worlds theories imply the following form: some predecessor state S_0 can lead to the successor states T_1 through T_X (where X could be any natural or transfinite number), with some probability distribution that preserves the information content in S_0. This leads to an infinitely growing cardinality of states; either in N but increasing without bound, or growing without bound in transfinite space. And actually, implicity, what this is really saying is that the predecessor states S_0 were *really* in states S_1 through S_X all along, even if those states were physically indistinguible, even in principle, from S_0, for observers within those universes. So essentially, many worlds is hidden variables in disguise. However, by Bell's theorem, these hidden variables cannot be local in nature, so must either be "nowhere" or "somewhere out there", physically. Forced to choose between the two, it would seems strictly preferable that you posit the later. **** By simply adding some known observations and generalizing this leads to...well...a lot **** We can form a fully general non-local physical hidden variables model (without even requiring QM or GR) by postulating the following: "The unique successor state of a (classically) closed system is given by its definite wave function value and some set of non-local variables present, in principle, anywhere else in the universe" >From an information theoretic point of view, this means the following: every time a microscopic classical "bit" of information is apparently added to the physical state of universe, an opposite "bit" must in fact be subtracted from the rest of the physical universe, essentially collapsing two macroscopic states (other than the microscoptic portion changed) in some necessarily symmetric (and possibly instantaneous) fashion. The most obvious way to do this is the following: pull everything toward you by a tiny bit, until, on average, things are one "bit" less differentiated. Furthermore, the amount you "pull" everything toward you should be in some (possibly non-linear) way proportional to the number of unique states you could possibly have moved toward, classically. Let us, for the sake of argument, call that number "mass-energy" and say that it is conserved. This retrodicts the universal theory of gravitation and mass-energy equivalence, more or less. Now, since gravity is proportional to mass-energy, then mass-energy must be, in fact, some finite amount, in order to be compared between gravitational bodies. And in fact, if the universe is Turing computable, then mass-energy should be discretely finite. This implies the quantization of energy, the original "quanta" providing the impetus for QM (as least, as far as I understand my history...). So essentially, this retrodicts a major part of QM without actually assuming any QM upfront. Next, since the information in the universe is really constant, this means that the black-hole information paradox is REALLY a problem. And, if you think about it, it means that every "bit" of classical information lost into a black hole must be counterbalanced by an opposite "bit" radiating from the black hole in some symmetric fashion. This basically retrodicts Hawking radiation and the thermal disappation of black holes. Next, consider cosmology. First, if we assume Turing computability, then the universe must in fact contain finite information thus is necessarily topologically closed on itself. This agrees with current models of the topology of space-time. Furthermore, let us consider if the universe, as presently thought, began in a small, energic, but basically isotropic region of space (which, necessarily, must also be closed, if the previous argument is correct.) In such an initial state, every single point of space-time will, in fact, be pulled in an almost radially symmetric fashion outward in all directions (think of all points being points on a sphere, being pulled outward to all other points of the sphere). This is happening for all points on the sphere symmetrically, so the net result is expansion. Furthermore, since the universe is determinstic, all the information that is present in it must, in fact, be present in the beginning. So whatever initial pattern is present in the universe must evolve and start to encode itself in the physical structure of universe. Since the universe is still closed, energic, and very (classically) causal connected, this means that the universe must inflate VERY VERY quickly (i.e. much much faster than the speed of causality/light), in order to continue embedding the same basic set of bits via some physical encoding at larger and larger length scales, until the universe is big/ cool enough that most Hubble volumes are reasonably casually disconnected (both classically, and through hidden variables.) At this point, the universe should cool, and, since the universe began with a fixed amount of energy, the average energy density should descrease in any volume over time. This retrodicts much of our current model of the Big Bang, as well as the second law of theromodynamics and the "arrow of time" problem. We can also conclude that, since inflation speed is related to the energy density of the universe, and the size of the universe is finite, then the universe should expand at an ever slowing rate until possibly stopping. This may or may not be true, given our current cosmological picture (the main whole in our understanding lies in the dark matter / dark energy). But if you consider something else, you get a very interesting postdiction: basically, the EPR paradox and quantum entanglement implies that the number of distinct accessible states for two (classically) closed systems together may be less than the number each has individually, because the two could be entangled (and, in the limit of complete entanglement, have only 1 accessible successor state). This implies that mass-energy is *not* classically additive unless you take into account all quantum entangement within a system. So, this suggests that, there may be "negative pressure energy" present in the universe in proportion to the amount of net entanglement present between states. This, in a nutshell, is a postdiction of "dark energy" (and possibly dark matter?). Topologically, the uneven distribution of "matter" and "dark matter"/"dark energy" may in fact mean that the universe, given enough "initial" information, could, while closed, be in fact locally MUCH more topologically interesting than simply flat everywhere. This implies, in fact, that the universe (if it started with "a lot" of information) could be unimaginably large, and that appearances of closure on some local scales could be deceiving. In fact, in the limit of countably "infinite" bits of initial information (or, equivalently, no information, for those of you who "get" that), the universe would, in fact, contain "all" patterns consistent consistent with "all" initial states "somewhere" in the "physical" universe as long as they were consistent with the mathematical physical laws (whatever they are). For those of you that read Tegmark, that is basically the Level I multiverse hypothesis, in which your consciousness basically bounces between different physical manifestations of you "somewhere else" in the metaverse. Now, in principle, you could be moving "through" time or "through" space, or any linear combination thereof, and you shouldn't be able to know the difference. This retrodicts *relativity*, the constant *speed of causality/light*, suggests that all space-time axes are symmetric, and that, every space-time axis should be computable (using hidden variables, in the say way) regardless of space-time rotation. Now, if we are assuming "infinite" bits of information, you could possibly assume that they are not actually all present there from the beginning, since, in fact, "time" is a perfectly possible axis in which to add information, if we are considering all symmetries. Let's assume that these bits are added in some symmetric manner, splitting the universe in symmetric fashion at each time step. (Now, I said before that this wasn't possible, but I, in fact, lied. It is clearly, now, possible, as long as you compute the universes along appropriately rotated axes.) Now, in fact, you've got the MWI picture again, and you've restored Max Tegmark's Level III multiverse, and it is "exactly" symmetric to Max Tegmark's Level I multiverse. By similar arguments, you can conclude that Max Tegmark's Level II multiverse is symmetric, under some rotation, as well. And actually, once you've made this leap, you can make the following leap: every Hubble volume contains "exactly" as much net information as the total universe in all of the zero-information Multiverse I-IIIs it is contained in. Now, given the huge number of possible universes implied from infinite (and, therefore, in fact, zero) initial information (minus the physical laws), you basically have two possible options: either "our" universe is either *very very* well selected from the space of possible Level I-III multiverses, or that we are somehow the only single Hubble volume universe. It is, in fact, impossible to tell the difference, at least according to our current physics. I think most people on this forum would come down strongly in favor of the latter, essentially abandoning "arbitrary"-ness and "Copenhagen"-ness. But, in fact, these two views are exactly indentical. Because really, if time is just another axis, and "our" universe is being fed an infinite stream of essentially random informational-less data, then the indeterminate "Copenhagen" universe is, in fact, exactly another determinstic, anthropically selected universe. There is really, no difference, it's the same bits represented differently. The "single" universe could have began at any previous time in our history, and we would never know the difference, other than observations. In fact, if you are not just a computable universe hypothesizer, but a mathematical universe hypothesizer, you really should expect that to be exactly the case. **** Going even futher! **** Why don't we, in fact, push the limit even further, and focus on "your" single observable universe. And by that I do not mean Hubble volume: I mean, the universe as you have observed over time, all the way back to your childhood. Now, MWI is often criticized by the argument similar to "if all possible successor worlds exist" then "why don't we observe unicorns instantly come into being". Now, all of us here are probably adults, and none of us have any really good evidence in our brains that unicorns could exist or spontaneously come into being, but, let's say, you lived your life exactly the same way you did until the age of, didn't learn (even transitively) a single fact inconsistent with the non-existence of unicorns, and, say, at age 4, saw a unicorn, which, in fact, evolved from, say, zebras, in "your" world, and this is fully consistent with everything in your 4 year old brain (which, suffice as to say, is not that hard). So would that really be impossible, and "when" did that unicorn actually come into existence then. By extension, what if you tried to systematically forget EVERYTHING you knew that was inconsistent with the existence of unicorns in the world. Would that make it more likely to see a unicorn? What if you tried VERY hard to come up with a plausible scientific model for how it could occur, and justified it to yourself, as well? Would that help? So really, in the limit, you really cannot be sure, in principle, if *you* are computing the universe, or the *universe* is computing *you*. Even if the MWI-verse is deterministic, there is indeterminancy from any individual point of view. "Someone" is adding new bits all the time; is it you, or someone else? If, in fact, someone you trusted very much in your youth suggested that unicorns existed to you, what effect would that have on your future life? In fact, by symmetry, maybe they're the "exact" same thing, and in principle you can never know the difference. So, in fact, "realism" and "idealism" may actually be exactly equivalent viewpoints. Taken to the absolute limit, this, is, in fact, a somewhat reasonable argument for solipism...but *only* if you can come up with a VERY good reason to think you are the "only" one conscious being: essentially, creating a measure function in which the only "conscious" being is you (and, possibly, all the past/future/indetermined/etc yous, as well). And well, I'll tell you right now, *I* for one, do think I am conscious. So really, unless you disbelieve me and everyone one, you can't justify solipism..however, I actually argue from this that you must take *all* living beings as, in some sense, *conscious* as well, and if you extend the concept of consciousness down to the absolute minimal level of consciousness possible, then every inanimate object is, in fact, in some sense minimally conscious, with some appropriate measure function. Okay, so, in fact, from all this, I could (in theory) say that someone like "God" necessarily exists somewhere in the Level I-III universe, somewhere, and perhaps an infinite number of them. And maybe, just maybe, he/them have found some way within the laws of the universe, to feed you "bits" of information over your entire life. Is that really implausible? Talking to another person demonstrably adds bits to your brain state, and bits of information could, in principle, come from anywhere, along any axis of symmetry, especially considering the global hidden variables theory. How much information "really" is in the universe? Are "cosmic rays" hitting your brain really random? Could there be enough information in them to encode a very very convincing hallucination of life after death? How, really, anthropically chosen is your particular consciousness, and what is the measure function of that choice? It *cannot* be any normalization of conscious => 1, unconscious => 0, since consciousness is clearly not a binary function. So if there's some "measure" of conciousness, what should it be proportional to? Intelligence? Length of life? Luck? Information content? Some linear combination thereof? How would you ever know? Also, what if, Matrix-style "perfect" Level I-III simulations of the universe are possible someday. Could you ever tell the difference if you were in one? If you couldn't, would it really matter if you were in one or not? If you were in one, what if you were in one where FTL travel was impossible (as in our current understanding) but suddenly, a rule was added to the simulation which allowed FTL travel by some hitherfore unimplemented rule which is totally consistent with your previous "personal" observations. Now, if you think this is unlikely by "measure" arguments, consider the following: aren't "laws of the universe" just bit-encodable information? What's the difference between the "FTL is possible" rule being there from the beginning, but you having no knowledge of it, and the "FTL is possible" bit being added later. A lot of people "think" they've proven to themselves "FTL is impossible", but how sure are you, and can you still change your mind? And, in the absolute limit, shouldn't this be *exactly* what should should expect from Max Tegmark's Level IV multiverse? There's no reason why "laws of the universe" should hold a privileged place relative to "bits of observable information about the universe". So, in a sense, aren't we all (infinitely?) fast computers trying to discover the probabilistic laws of *our own* universe from our own observable points of view? And are you really "discovering" them or "creating" them when you do that? If you really believe the MUH (which, I think many if you here purport to do), then this picture really *must* be the what I'm suggesting, and that the answer is *both* or (equivalently) *somewhere in between*. The difference, really, lies entirely in what you believe the measure function is over the space of possible observer moments. **** The "measure" function **** Anyway, I am thinking that most of you who are still following this argument think I have reasoned *way* too far. If anything, as science- types, I would guess you would all place a "high" measure on completely deterministic universes with a fixed number of preset laws and low information, and exponentially decreasing as the laws become more "arbitrary" and "more information is added". But I, for one, an *absolutely* sure that is not the correct measure function, because of the following, which is absolutely true: I lied where I began my reasoning. I, in fact, reasoned everything I just explained in approximately the "opposite" order than which I explained it (which really made it a *lot* harder). And the reason I did this was, because, about one and a half years ago, I had a psychotic break from reality in which *from my point of view*, *truly* weird things were happening that I took to be Jungian synchronicity, at least at first (if anyone is familiar with the concept). I became increasingly psychotic over a month and starting thinking faster and faster about what was going on, and couldn't *ever* figure out what it *really* was. I thought I heard voices in my head, from future versions of "me" from the "future", so started concluding that telepathic time "travel" would eventually be possible in my lifetime, at which point that "explanation" started making increasingly more sense...I kept getting more and more information consistent with that hypothesis. But, having read lots of Tegmark already, I basically concluded that physics must be incomplete, and that a lot of other things could be possible too, like Boltzmann brains, technological singularity (i.e. merging of consciousness with others), Matrix-style computation, Truman-show life, telepathy, cryogenics, teleportation, etc., etc., and I kept getting more and more subtle information to confirm all my intuitions in *many* weird ways, but (mostly) consistently with physical laws (i.e. it was mostly "in my head", except some parts that *really* weren't, which I took as entanglement/synchronicity). I started thinking a "whole" lot and basically convinced myself (through many independent arguments) that *all* existing interpretations of QM were correct but incomplete, and that, in the limit, they all converged to the same answer, which was, in fact, the MUH. At some point, the voices were all telling me to stop thinking, that I was going in circles, and that I was causing some "harm" to some other conscious people, possibly even future versions of myself, which really scared me. Also, and this might have been somewhat irresponsible in retrospect, I kept thinking about heaven and hell, etc., which was very bad, and kept oscillating between some probabilistic combination of "hell doesn't exist, because infinite punishment for finite misbehavior doesn't make sense" and "the possibility of hell must exist to keep you from doing the wrong thing, because you have free will regardless of whether determinism or indeterminism is true." And, despite the fact that I've always considered most forms of Christinity absurd for scientific and philosophical reasons, I remember *very* clearly concluding, at some point, that Christianity was, in some general sense, the "one true religion" because it was based on compassion, love, and forgiveness. And, well, from all this (and the fact that I've managed to reverse everything back to some "reasonable" sketch of quantum gravity, which *may or may not be correct* (but, in some sense, *must* be), I've just concluded that the most important thing is the following: the multiverse is, in fact, the ultimate democracy, in the sense that the "real" measure function is recursively defined by the combined thinking of all conscious beings in the metaverse, which, in some sense, converges to a single meta-consciousness, which is *in fact* God, eventually. So, because this mathematical structure must converge (I guess? hopefully it is stable over time, but I'm not sure what time means anymore now.) there actually *is*, by convergence, objective moral truth to the universe, and science and religion are more closely aligned than anyone has yet imagined. And coincidently, my favorite movie growing up was "Contact, which highlighted the symmetries between religion and science, which is really just more fuel to the anthropic argument fire. Anyway, I'm not sure how many of you get the full argument, but I am now "very" sure it is true. And now that your bit state has been "split" by the reading this message, I think (if you are all following the argument) that your responsibility, if you want a good life, is some linear combination of (in random order) "try to increase the measure of your successor states by living as long as possible, in the classical sense", "try to complete quantum gravity mathematically", "try to figure out technological singularity/AI", "try to figure out life extension", "try to explain this argument to others (maybe?)", "try to do the right thing", and, "treat animals with respect", and very occasionally, "pray"...maybe? or maybe "meditate". (In fact, isn't outward "prayer" and inward "meditation" the same thing, by symmetry?) So, finally, in conclusion, CUH implies that relativistic Bohmian mechnics is the next step in the "physical" theory of everything, which, taken to its broadest ontological limit, is, in fact, MUH, which further may imply that "moral" truths may be as real as "physical truths". What does everyone think about this argument (or any subset of it?). Please let me know! F.H. p.s. anyone who has not read "Cat's Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut really should do so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.