On 23 Jun 2011, at 17:40, Rex Allen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 22 Jun 2011, at 01:56, Rex Allen wrote:
Related to the Progress and Happiness thread:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/this-is-the-dream-time.html
But I am not sure there will be a point where everything worth
knowing will
be known. In the terrestrial realm (the left hypostases, the one
without the
"*", like G) we will forever scratch the surface. And the right
hypostases,
like G*, are a sort of promise of an inexhaustible collection of
bigger and
bigger surprises, in the terrestrial realm and perhaps beyond).
On the contrary, the more we will know, the more we will be aware
of the
ignorance.
I guess the key phrase is "worth knowing". Worth?
I think that he is referring to a particular kind of
knowledge...knowledge that gives you some advantage over your
competitors or over your environment.
It always does. Knowledge is always an advantage, even if it can seem
heavy sometimes.
And he doesn't say that we will know everything...just that "truly new
and important discoveries will be quite rare."
I think it will be always about the same, except that it oscillates
between excess of non unifiable propositions up to the next shift of
perspectives, then later, new things does not fit and we are back at
too many non unifiable propositions, again up to the next shift.
Basically, because, theories are like particles, they can collide and
get fertile products, which can rip in different dimensions. Once we
think, we really don't know what we are doing. Important discoveries
hide other important discoveries.
But, again there's another ambiguous phrase: "important discoveries".
Important? To whom, in what sense?
Perhaps in the sense of making steps toward stable paradise, or
something. To get sort of satisfaction of the whole, in the as lucid
as possible measure of the possible, determined locally by the last
unification of the believed propositions.
Again, I think that he is referring to a particular kind of
discovery...discoveries that gives you some advantage over your
competitors or over your environment.
Ultimately he's asserting that humanity will never escape the
competitive evolutionary framework. Our current golden age is just a
temporary reprieve.
See my other post. I can agree and disagree. Evolution has led to
brain wired self-moving entities with the ability to dream and export
their dreams. Evolution makes jumps, and the 'progress' make jumps.
I am not sure in which sense you consider our current age as a golden
one. Humans are the good candidate for doing the next jump, but they
still feel superior and that might be a serious handicap, imo.
Though, "evolution" takes on a different color in unchanging
plenitudinous Platonia.
Absolutely so, even just in the tiny universal part (sigma_1
platonia). You can put all the rest in the "artificial mind tools"
invented by the numbers to figure out "what happen?". Arithmetical
truth is inexhaustible and tools needs quickly even more tools.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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